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In our dualistic world, would unconditional love create unconditional hate?

Some say that Yahweh, offers unconditional love to all and that we are to love our enemies.

This goes against his and our dualistic thinking.

Unconditional love would have it’s opposite in a dualistic world. Unconditional hate. I do not see that as existing and thus cannot see unconditional love existing.

Should love and hate have conditions? Does yours?

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DL

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Unconditional love would have it’s opposite in a dualistic world. Unconditional hate. I do not see that as existing and thus cannot see unconditional love existing.

What is required by a "dualistic world"? Does it mean that for everything which exists, its 'opposite' also exists? If so, I see no reason to accept such a presupposition. That is, I see no reason to accept the claim that we live in a dualistic world.

Should love and hate have conditions? Does yours?

In ethics and Christianity love and hate are asymmetrical. Indeed, in monotheistic religions God does not participate in dualisms, and that which is identified with God is not dualistic (e.g. goodness, love, justice, etc.).

Let's start with ethics. Love is basically an attraction or a positive resonance, a form of affirmation. We love that which we believe to be good, and we will it to exist and grow. Hate is something like the opposite: a repelling or negative dissonance, a form of negation. We hate that which we believe to be evil, and we will it to diminish and perhaps even to cease to exist. Despite the opposition between love and hate, they are not symmetrical opposites. Love is always more fundamental. This is because hate always presupposes love, but love does not presuppose hate. I love something for what it is in itself; I hate something because it opposes something I love. It is therefore impossible to hate without loving. Before I love I cannot hate; once I love it becomes possible (but not necessary) for me to hate; and once I hate I am already simultaneously loving something else.

The metaphysics of Christianity is similar. God is love and has no equal. The claim that there is a co-equal God of hate is a Christian heresy called Manichaeism. In the Augustinian tradition--which is largely representative of Christianity--evil is a privatio boni, a privation of the good. God is there identified with Being, Goodness, Love, and Light. The opposing forces are not equal, symmetrical, or opposed to God in a dualism (i.e. Non-being, Evil, Hatred, and Darkness).

So according to natural ethics and Christianity, hate always requires conditions whereas love does not necessarily require conditions. At the very least, love requires many fewer conditions than hate.

[Greatest I am]

Unconditional love would have it’s opposite in a dualistic world. Unconditional hate. I do not see that as existing and thus cannot see unconditional love existing.

What is required by a "dualistic world"? Does it mean that for everything which exists, its 'opposite' also exists? If so, I see no reason to accept such a presupposition. That is, I see no reason to accept the claim that we live in a dualistic world.

Perhaps you will change your mind later.

Should love and hate have conditions? Does yours?

In ethics and Christianity love and hate are asymmetrical.

Not surprising in an immoral religion.

Indeed, in monotheistic religions God does not participate in dualisms, and that which is identified with God is not dualistic (e.g. goodness, love, justice, etc.).

You are quite selective and wrong.

The bible I read has Yahweh claiming to have made all that is good and all it's dualistic evils for his pleasure.

Let's start with ethics. Love is basically an attraction or a positive resonance, a form of affirmation. We love that which we believe to be good, and we will it to exist and grow. Hate is something like the opposite: a repelling or negative dissonance, a form of negation. We hate that which we believe to be evil, and we will it to diminish and perhaps even to cease to exist. Despite the opposition between love and hate, they are not symmetrical opposites. Love is always more fundamental. This is because hate always presupposes love, but love does not presuppose hate. I love something for what it is in itself; I hate something because it opposes something I love. It is therefore impossible to hate without loving. Before I love I cannot hate; once I love it becomes possible (but not necessary) for me to hate; and once I hate I am already simultaneously loving something else.

What you describe FMPOV, is our instincts that produce the ethic.

We have no argument though as you see the results 20/20.

Being short winded. I just say that our love biases create our hate biases at the same time. Dualism.

The metaphysics of Christianity is similar. God is love and has no equal. The claim that there is a co-equal God of hate is a Christian heresy called Manichaeism. In the Augustinian tradition--which is largely representative of Christianity--evil is a privatio boni, a privation of the good. God is there identified with Being, Goodness, Love, and Light. The opposing forces are not equal, symmetrical, or opposed to God in a dualism (i.e. Non-being, Evil, Hatred, and Darkness).

So according to natural ethics and Christianity, hate always requires conditions whereas love does not necessarily require conditions. At the very least, love requires many fewer conditions than hate.

No equal to god. ----------- who does he fear when he wrote the first commandment?
Man is not only equal to god, we are more powerful in abilities. We can reproduce true while that loser cannot.

No conditions for love. ------- Jesus told his people that he would recognize their love from their works and deeds.

Do you have condition for love?

Regards
DL