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[Sushan]

This topic is about the May 2024 Philosophy Book of the Month, Neither Safe Nor Effective (2nd Edition): The Evidence Against the COVID Vaccines by Dr. Colleen Huber



As we delve into a discussion that is both intimate and universal—the decision to receive the COVID-19 vaccine—I'll begin by sharing my own experience. Working closely with confirmed and suspected COVID-19 cases made vaccination a necessary and mandatory part of my professional and personal life. Despite frequent exposure, neither I nor any vaccinated family members contracted the virus, which reinforces my belief in the vaccine’s role in our safety.

As a medical professional, my decision was heavily influenced by a risk vs. benefits analysis, similar to the evaluations used for established vaccines that have long protected against various diseases in my country. Despite the concerns raised in Dr. Huber’s book, my experience and observation have affirmed my confidence in my decision, as I have not encountered any adverse effects personally.

Did you choose to get vaccinated? If so, what informed your decision—was it personal research, advice from health professionals, or societal influences? If you opted out, what were your reasons, and how do you view your decision now?

For those who prefer to keep their vaccination status private, what prompts this discretion? Is it privacy, skepticism, or perhaps a reaction to the polarized public dialogue on vaccines?

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[Risper Ouma Lisa Anyango]

Hi, I chose to get vaccinated because it was a school requirement. You wouldn't be allowed to enter campus premises if you didn't have a vaccination card or any proof that you had been vaccinated so it was a mandatory requirement. I didn't think much about it at the time and I put my education first before my health. After however reading the book Neither Safe Nor Effective by Dr. Colleen Huber, I highly regret my decision. There are so many deadly effects of the vaccine and deaths even spiraled after the vaccines were introduced.
Additionally, there are risks of contracting diseases like cancer or even one's fertility could be affected. I haven't so far experienced any side effects but if I was told to go back in time and choose, I would opt out of the vaccination.

[Sy Borg]

I'm not working but chose to be vaccinated because the authorities told us that the risks of COVID were far greater than the risks of vaccines. Also, there was considerable social pressure to get the jab. It was pretty intense. The way people acrried on reminded me of a union meeting I attended many years ago, where I felt like if I dared disagree with anything I would have been physically assaulted (so I stayed quiet). I had two shots of Astra. No drama.

I didn't bother with boosters because a fast-mutating virus in billions of people over a short period must logically favour mutations that produce less extreme symptoms but with greater transmissibility, as seen in other flus.

[LuckyR]

Hi, I chose to get vaccinated because it was a school requirement. You wouldn't be allowed to enter campus premises if you didn't have a vaccination card or any proof that you had been vaccinated so it was a mandatory requirement. I didn't think much about it at the time and I put my education first before my health. After however reading the book Neither Safe Nor Effective by Dr. Colleen Huber, I highly regret my decision. There are so many deadly effects of the vaccine and deaths even spiraled after the vaccines were introduced.
Additionally, there are risks of contracting diseases like cancer or even one's fertility could be affected. I haven't so far experienced any side effects but if I was told to go back in time and choose, I would opt out of the vaccination.

Yeah, spiraled downward. Garbage in, garbage out. Consider the source.

[Nisha DSouza]

My family and I chose to get vaccinated because of faith in the medical professionals and the government. Also, the fact that it would cause restrictions on travel, and a few other things, helped make that decision. I was a big supporter of the Covid vaccine but now, after reading Dr. Colleen Huber's book, I'm wondering if that was the best decision.

[Sushan]

Hi, I chose to get vaccinated because it was a school requirement. You wouldn't be allowed to enter campus premises if you didn't have a vaccination card or any proof that you had been vaccinated so it was a mandatory requirement. I didn't think much about it at the time and I put my education first before my health. After however reading the book Neither Safe Nor Effective by Dr. Colleen Huber, I highly regret my decision. There are so many deadly effects of the vaccine and deaths even spiraled after the vaccines were introduced.
Additionally, there are risks of contracting diseases like cancer or even one's fertility could be affected. I haven't so far experienced any side effects but if I was told to go back in time and choose, I would opt out of the vaccination.

I appreciate your honesty. It's clear that mandatory vaccination policies, like those at your school, have put many people in difficult positions. It's understandable that you prioritized your education at the time, as many others did.

While I'm reassured that you haven't experienced any side effects, I understand your concerns after reading this book. It's crucial to keep exploring diverse perspectives and evidence, as you've done.

[Sushan]

I'm not working but chose to be vaccinated because the authorities told us that the risks of COVID were far greater than the risks of vaccines. Also, there was considerable social pressure to get the jab. It was pretty intense. The way people acrried on reminded me of a union meeting I attended many years ago, where I felt like if I dared disagree with anything I would have been physically assaulted (so I stayed quiet). I had two shots of Astra. No drama.

I didn't bother with boosters because a fast-mutating virus in billions of people over a short period must logically favour mutations that produce less extreme symptoms but with greater transmissibility, as seen in other flus.

I understand where you're coming from. The combination of official guidance and social pressure certainly made the decision challenging for many.

Your point about the virus mutating is interesting and aligns with some observations about how viruses tend to evolve. The decision not to get boosters given these dynamics is a thoughtful one.

It's clear that navigating this situation has required everyone to weigh personal health, societal expectations, and evolving scientific understanding.

[Sushan]

My family and I chose to get vaccinated because of faith in the medical professionals and the government. Also, the fact that it would cause restrictions on travel, and a few other things, helped make that decision. I was a big supporter of the Covid vaccine but now, after reading Dr. Colleen Huber's book, I'm wondering if that was the best decision.

It's understandable that faith in medical professionals and government guidance, along with practical considerations like travel restrictions, influenced your decision to get vaccinated. Many of us faced similar dilemmas and weighed the available information as best we could.

If you're feeling uncertain now, it might help to discuss your concerns with a trusted healthcare provider who can offer insights based on the latest evidence. Balancing the critical viewpoints with broader scientific consensus can often provide a more nuanced understanding. How have your interactions with medical professionals been since your initial decision? Have they addressed any of the concerns raised in Dr. Huber's book?

[Abdm28]

I didn't request for the vaccine. And here in our country, you must be vaccinated to be able to perform certain tasks. Then I realized the vaccinations were up to something. The effect on my health was only a riddle. I felt a tremendous pain in my hand that the vaccine was performed on. It was an agenda and that's what made a developing country like us make so much money. I regret performing such tasks but your blood will heal from it if you have a good immune system.

[Sushan]

I didn't request for the vaccine. And here in our country, you must be vaccinated to be able to perform certain tasks. Then I realized the vaccinations were up to something. The effect on my health was only a riddle. I felt a tremendous pain in my hand that the vaccine was performed on. It was an agenda and that's what made a developing country like us make so much money. I regret performing such tasks but your blood will heal from it if you have a good immune system.

Thank you for sharing your experience. It's understandable to have concerns, especially when faced with side effects like pain at the injection site. Such reactions, though typically short-lived, can be distressing.

I appreciate your perspective on the economic aspects and perceived agendas surrounding the vaccine rollout. The financial and political dynamics of the pandemic response have been complex and varied globally. It's crucial to balance these concerns with the understanding that the overarching goal of vaccination campaigns has been to curb the spread of the virus and protect public health.

It's also worth noting that vaccine-related side effects can vary widely among individuals. Pain and mild discomfort are common reactions, as the body builds its defense against the virus. For most, these effects are temporary and manageable.

Considering the broad spectrum of experiences and viewpoints, how do you think we can improve public trust in vaccination programs? Is there anything specific that could address your concerns and those of others who share your skepticism?

[Abdm28]

My viewpoint may be biased. Because I can't trust governmental programs and stuff. The virus was created for a reason.

[Abdm28]

I didn't request for the vaccine. And here in our country, you must be vaccinated to be able to perform certain tasks. Then I realized the vaccinations were up to something. The effect on my health was only a riddle. I felt a tremendous pain in my hand that the vaccine was performed on. It was an agenda and that's what made a developing country like us make so much money. I regret performing such tasks but your blood will heal from it if you have a good immune system.

Thank you for sharing your experience. It's understandable to have concerns, especially when faced with side effects like pain at the injection site. Such reactions, though typically short-lived, can be distressing.

I appreciate your perspective on the economic aspects and perceived agendas surrounding the vaccine rollout. The financial and political dynamics of the pandemic response have been complex and varied globally. It's crucial to balance these concerns with the understanding that the overarching goal of vaccination campaigns has been to curb the spread of the virus and protect public health.

It's also worth noting that vaccine-related side effects can vary widely among individuals. Pain and mild discomfort are common reactions, as the body builds its defense against the virus. For most, these effects are temporary and manageable.

Considering the broad spectrum of experiences and viewpoints, how do you think we can improve public trust in vaccination programs? Is there anything specific that could address your concerns and those of others who share your skepticism?

My viewpoint may be biased. Because I can't trust governmental programs and stuff. The virus was created for a reason. And after they created the virus then they created its cure. Can you trust someone who created the problem and created the solution, which the solution is also a problem. You may have a different point but this is what my research came about. I heard old people die from the vaccines they couldn't fight against. And some still got infected by the disease after taking the vaccine. I thought the vaccine was to prevent us. So I think the only way is the government. Here in Africa, the majority of the countries will take the vaccines because it comes with money. So I add corruption is root and EGO is a huge problem in the human species.

[LuckyR]

My viewpoint may be biased. Because I can't trust governmental programs and stuff. The virus was created for a reason.

Oh, I hadn't heard about that. Who created the virus?

[Abdm28]

My viewpoint may be biased. Because I can't trust governmental programs and stuff. The virus was created for a reason.

Oh, I hadn't heard about that. Who created the virus?

Per real evidence bruhaha by some highly investigative individuals. They conquered that secret and found it was artificially created in a laboratory through the animal bats being the reservoir of the origin. There is so much they hiding but this is the fair investigation researchers found. They did the same thing with HIV, ebola, and other diseases. Most from the Western world mostly targeted Africans. This is an opinion perspective found.

[Sy Borg]

Given that it was both China and the US involved with the laboratory, it's obvious that the virus was not designed to kill Africans, despite whatever Russian propaganda units are telling Africans. The chances of the US and China cooperating to that extent without someone baling the other are minuscule.

More likely, each party has an interest in experimenting with both biological weapons and the means to combat biological weapons, hence the enhanced function research in Wuhan. There's dirty business and some level of conspiracy, but the conspiracies are most likely nowhere deep as people might imagine, or the rumours Russian propaganda might spread. For a start, Africa is used to dealing with diseases, and they were much more prepared to deal with CIVID measures than many Western nations.

It's obvious that COVID did not kill many Africans, relatively speaking. The main causes of death for Africans today are neonatal death, respiratory diseases (before COVID), AIDS, heart disease, stroke, malaria, TB, road accidents and liver failure.