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Where were you before? [and ‘mind’ in a vat issue]

do you or anyone know where you were prior to being born? No of course not, some may say they can ‘remember’ being in a previous life/incarnation for example, but that memory definitely wont be in the brain.

I am just listening to a guy on the news [hardtalk on BBC], talking about death and that his father died of a brain tumour. He concluded that the mind is entangled with and subject to the brain, because he watched his father fade away and disappear.

I don’t think we know where we were before, and neither does anyone know where we will be afterwards. Every kind of spirituality and religion has answers, some are similar but most are different. Well if they somehow visited another earth-like world, then all the stories would say the same or similar things!

My conclusion is that, all of the so called spiritual worlds, are in fact mind worlds and part of this worlds greater reality -so to say. Then the next world is something which is not part of this world, and it is impossible to know what and where that other-world is. The only conclusion I can arrive at is that the mind is something which is the same in any given world or life, but nothing else is. Otherwise we do not continue, because there will be nothing common to all worlds one may inhabit.
Further, if other worlds or realms were connected to this one, they would be detectable – have some kind of energy form to them.

Ergo, I am thinking that ‘mind’ is the common factor but is not made of anything from this world [or other], it is not a kind of energy!

Now I will put the two facets of the equation together; like the brain in a vat argument, let us imagine that we knew what the mind is, and could separate that [and not consciousness] from the body. Then that we build an AI in a robots body which it could control remotely.
Now imagine that the robot body with AI intelligence, got a virus or was otherwise successively broken up e.g. if we used it in gaming or theatre/film. The onlooker would only be able to see the robot and not the remote mind. One would observe the degradation of the robots demise, but we would know what’s going on and wouldn’t think that the remote mind was in danger.

In short, my conclusion is that the demise of the said robot, is akin to that of the man’s father dying from a brain tumour. The observer cannot possibly know what the remote mind is experiencing, and that minds are always remote!

Secondly that the subjective experience of a mind thusly being remote, is exactly the same as the observers perspective. We wont remember nor experience anything when say, in a coma, just like we don’t remember dreams sometimes/mostly. It is not possible to remotely experience a given thing when the connection is lost or broke. Equally, we don’t have a device to wit houses the mind, if it goes, it is gone!


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#453340
The philosopher on hard-talk also said that immortality may not be desired, because we get depressed etc. what then if an AI were infused in our brains with switches! So e.g. we could switch off thought that make us depressed, or even have software which stops negative thought arising in the first place?

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