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[Stanley Huang]

I have been asking the question: Can we draw time?

Can we draw something we cannot see? Can we draw time? And if we can draw time, how are we going to draw it? How are we going to express it? How are we going to communicate time through drawing?

To me, this is an interesting question to painters. Can we draw time?

And if we can, what will be like? This is interesting, because how are we going to draw what we cannot see and what will it be like?

[Unsay]

There are two conclusions to your premise:

Conclusion 1: We would draw a clock or the orbit of our planet in the sense we were conditioned to perceive time through the models that represent time.

Conclusion B: We would not draw anything, for we can not draw what we are unable to imagine. We can use models to represent time, but we can not draw time for what it is. Time is a man-made construction that is encompassed by the patterns of our planet's orbit which later have been made into models that represent times such as watches, clocks, dials, et cetera.

[Stanley Huang]

To me, if an artist is too rigid, then, he is not a good artist. So this is why it may not be good if an artist is too rigid. And because I do not want to be too rigid, then, to me, a painter can paint anything, not just what he can see, but he can also paint what he cannot see.

But you may think that there is a problem, because how are we going to paint what cannot be seen?

To me, you can use what can be seen to express what cannot be seen. So let's say, you can draw two worlds, and when you draw two worlds, you can draw it in a way to show how one world progresses to another world. You draw two worlds as if it like the swift of wind.

Then, through this drawing, you can use what can be seen which is drawing to express what cannot be seen, which is time. Where you use form to express the formless; where you use image to express what is without an image.

So drawing two worlds in a way that makes people as if it like a swift of the wind, where one person travels from one universe two another universe; if you can draw like that, then, maybe you are using form to express the formless, where you can draw time indirectly, from using images to show what is beyond image which is time.

Now, I do not paint. But maybe a philosopher can influence a painter. So if a painter reads my words and he feels my words are interesting, then, maybe I can influence him, even though I do not paint.

[Seremonia]

Nature of time

Maybe we can draw time, but it's difficult for us to draw the nature of time through experience. Draw it by meditating.

Meanwhile, ...

Can we draw time?

According to the above understanding:

I will paint one type of scattered paper that contained picture of the sequence of life.

I'm going to paint a lot of the same lines with curvatures shapes in various positions which shows a transition from a different angle. One line from one position to another position of another line that do not show curvatures, but still the same line.

I will paint strands from roll of film which contain images of some galaxies and events.

I will paint just one flash of electricity that gives diversity of events.

more and more, ...

[Stanley Huang]

To me, if a painter wants to draw time, then, it is not important whether or not time can be drawn, rather, one important activity will be how can he draw in a way that will make people feel his painting is like the flow of time.

And that will depend on his brush, where he can draw a in a way as if his painting is like the flow of wind, making people feel the flow of time, as people feel the flow of wind, like time.

Perhaps, the same can be done, if a painter is to draw a person having sex with time. Or a person who makes love with time, where it is not important whether or not time can be drawn, but one important activity is how to make a painting allow people to feel as if a person is having sex with time.

Before, I wrote a poem about the sky having 10 eyes, having sex with many women, which was a strange poem, and I feel it will be interesting that if a painter can experiment a bit more, drawing not only images, but perhaps, draw sound, draw love, draw sex, draw taste, or draw smell.

Perhaps, it will be interesting if a painter can draw the music of sea wave.

I feel this is interesting.

[Seremonia]

To me, if a painter wants to draw time, then, it is not important whether or not time can be drawn, rather, one important activity will be how can he draw in a way that will make people feel his painting is like the flow of time.

And that will depend on his brush, where he can draw a in a way as if his painting is like the flow of wind, making people feel the flow of time, as people feel the flow of wind, like time.

Perhaps, the same can be done, if a painter is to draw a person having sex with time. Or a person who makes love with time, where it is not important whether or not time can be drawn, but one important activity is how to make a painting allow people to feel as if a person is having sex with time.

Before, I wrote a poem about the sky having 10 eyes, having sex with many women, which was a strange poem, and I feel it will be interesting that if a painter can experiment a bit more, drawing not only images, but perhaps, draw sound, draw love, draw sex, draw taste, or draw smell.

Perhaps, it will be interesting if a painter can draw the music of sea wave.

I feel this is interesting.

That's great!

I wonder, imagining "the taste of music from mozart, mixed with the taste of tenderness" and poured it into pure spring water and boiled with hot wind came from heart that burned with love. I want to know what it feels like, and what it looks like after painted.

We can translate it into appropriate symbols (which may differ from one person to another person) and draw it.

Sadly, I can't paint nicely:(

[Belinda]

Salvador Dali painted a soft watch. There are representations of decay which either sentimentally regret transience or celebrate the new, or else draw our attention to the changing human condition

What is time? Time is rate of change, and time is also one of the dimensions of creation.

[Seremonia]

Salvador Dali painted a soft watch. There are representations of decay which either sentimentally regret transience or celebrate the new, or else draw our attention to the changing human condition

What is time? Time is rate of change, and time is also one of the dimensions of creation.

That's Nice.

Salvador Dali's Soft Watch

[Rattybag]

I'm a painter and like themes such as 'time' to try and create an artwork.

To me, if I was to attempt to paint time, would be to show the creation of man from embryo to death somehow. Time to humans only exists during this length of time!

[Stanley Huang]

But if you want to draw time, you need to do it in a way that makes people feel that they feel the motion of time when they look at your painting. And how to make people feel time when they look at your painting will depend on how effective you can paint, how effective you can communicate your message.

To me, if there is time, there are two kinds: One is a time that flows, while the other is the time that is stationary, or when time does not move.

And if you want to draw a time that does not move, you need to make people feel that time stopped or time is stationary when they look at your drawing.

How?

It will depend how effective you can communicate yourself.

And not only time, perhaps, you can use images to draw sound, to draw love, to draw how we can travel back to the past.

Drawing a person moving to the past is interesting to me.

[Rattybag]

But if you want to draw time, you need to do it in a way that makes people feel that they feel the motion of time One is a time that flows, while the other is the time that is stationary, or when time does not move.

But time is never stationary. It never stops. We don't stop getting older (if only)!

[Stanley Huang]

Hello Rattybag,

To me, if there is time, maybe it is able to stop in certain situation, and even if it doesn't, why can't we paint something that is not there?

Now, Picasso, this painter was the person who not mentioned when those who wrote about the history of Western thought. When I read about the history of Western thought, many writers or philosophers did not mention about Picasso.

Russell did not mention Picasso, Einstein didn't, and even today, when I read about new writers who wrote about Western thoughts, they did not mention Picasso.

They mentioned about Leibniz, Kant or Einstein, but never Picasso, and this is to me, where their writings are not complete.

And even those magazines who wrote about Picasso have not described him in a very detail manner. They will just talk about him roughly, but what is he painting and why does he paint like that? Does he have a philosophy? I feel those who write about him did not go deep enough.

I feel an interesting question is this: Why do we need to paint according to what we see? Why can't we paint a woman with four legs? Or why can't we paint a woman without any leg at all?

And if we do not have to paint according to what we see, then, I feel there is much more freedom, where we are able to free ourselves from the senses, and that is: We can paint whatever we want, even if it betrays our eyes.

And if we can paint whatever we want, then, you can paint time with ten legs, or you can paint a sky having a mouth or sexual organ, to me, it is interesting that we do not need to paint according to what we see, and I feel there is so much more freedom, liberating ourselves from our eyes.

So now, I was not really satisfied when those who wrote about Western thoughts did not mention about Picasso at all, and those magazines who wrote about him did not describe his drawings in a detain manner.

And I feel my writings in this forum, I described the drawings of Picasso in more detail than those magazines or books that talk about Picasso.

But an interesting question I want to ask is this: You have seen Picasso's painting. Now, is there going to be a painter who can paint different to him? Where is the direction that the future painters is going to move to?

I feel this is an interesting question I want to ask.

[Simply Wee]

The pursuit of history draws time, whether it be looking back at things that shaped us, or looking back 14.3 billion years that created reality. When we dream or imagine, we see what time has still to reach, and when we die, the led in us has broken, with time. I guess.

[Unsay]

Draw an hourglass, then ask yourself the difference between limited time and perpetual time.

[Stanley Huang]

I was so excited that I find out that I can draw pretty well yesterday, when I did some drawings on the computer. Because not only can I write poems, I can also draw, maybe I can paint one day. But I am unsure whether or not I can compose music. If I can compose music, then, I am a poet, painter, musician, physicist and freethinker.

I feel art is so interesting, that I am discovering something new about myself everyday. It is almost like a surprise to me.

Maybe not only draw time, but perhaps, but sound or draw space.

Or draw different kinds of sex positions made up of blowing wind.

Picasso said: “Every child is an artist. But the question is how to remain an artist once we grow up.”