value wrote: ↑July 9th, 2022, 5:14 am
You seem to often mention the concept Singularity in relation to 'what breath's fire into the cosmological equations'. In the topic Must the Universe contain consciousness? you seem to argue that the Singularity is related to understanding of consciousness and quality.
"according to the Big Bang theory, the entire universe was compressed into an ∞ infinitely tiny point, a singularity."
https://www.livescience.com/what-is-singularity
What would be the theoretical ground for the idea that the Universe is a physical totality that can be compressed into a tiny point?
3017Metaphysician wrote: ↑June 27th, 2022, 12:13 pmWhat is it that breath's fire into the Hawking equation's, I wonder?
“What is it that breathes fire into the equations and makes a universe for them to describe? --Stephen Hawking
3017Metaphysician wrote: ↑June 27th, 2022, 12:45 pm
Just as a commentary: I am surprised that the question of where Singularity came from, which wasn't asked, empirically or 'causally', may have been the actual cause of whether we think that the universe must contain consciousness... . In other words, scientists can find that question meaningful because nobody knows where the Singularity came from to begin with.
Asking whether the universe contains consciousness is germane to all of material existence. And that's because if we knew where Singularity came from, that question (among many) would not even need to be asked. A kind of logical necessity, one might say...so on many levels, we can't remove the questions of consciousness from any complete theory of existence.
Do you believe that understanding of the concept Singularity would provide understanding of Quality?
3017Metaphysician wrote: ↑June 28th, 2022, 10:02 am
Paul Davies, at least, briefly touches on that very import feature of consciousness (quality/Qualia), which is part of the difficulty associated with not only biological emergence (emergent properties), but with extreme or exclusive physicalism too. Neurons, atoms and molecules don't tell us about quality. He knows this. I give him credit there.
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One might ask, how did the Will emerge as a fixed sense of subjective awareness, or an objective/independent 'consciousness' that breaths fire into the cosmological equations?
You say that neurons, atoms and molecules don't tell humans about quality. What about the sensible nature of those concepts? Isn't that a quality?
Part two, Re: undefined quality
Firstly, my interpretation of 'undefined quality' is simply Qualia. If being ''undefined" means meta-physical, then I would take no exceptions.
Second, I want to sincerely thank you for taking the time to consolidae the various threads that touch on the phenomen of quality (v. materialistic/physical quantity) when we talk consciousness. Although quantitative-physical thinking presents its own paradox (math itself is abstract and metaphysical), qualitative thinking obviously is the opposing feature of the mind that relates to Being; human sentience purpose, meaning, the will, and many other so-called anthropic human conditions of self-awareness, all necessary for making physical matter more suitable for biological life forms and their existence. Certainly, for example, the complexity of consciousness in the way of how the conscious mind, subconscious and even unconscious states of Being function, still can't be explained using logic (formal logic) or pure reason. It's funny, a mind that is pseudo-capable of pure reason (mathematics/logico-deductive reasoning), can't seem to figure out its own nature of existence (consciousness) using that same sense of reason. Quite ironic, I must say (?).
Anyway. You asked about Singularity. Sussinctly, the reason I posited that question/answer was relative the the nature of reality (metaphysics). Meaning, if we knew were Singularity actually came from or originated ex nihilo, metaphysical things like space-time, the relationship between mind and matter, the purpose of the universe, how our sense data/observations relates to reality, and the existence of the [free] Will, would more than likely make most of those quesions irrelevent. We would theoretically already know about those.
The last point about the Will itself (which again, is a Quality of consciousness) that somehow breathes fire into the equasions, is more of a synthetic judgement or metaphysical philosophy about causation ex nihilo. I suppose if Stephen Hawking couldn't figure it all out, that kinda says something... . (He, like many other physicists grappled with the idea of intergrating both relativity and QM for a theory of everything.) To this end, do you think there is any cooresponding phenomena that somehow integrates or provides for a synthesis of both quality/quantity, materialism/immaterialism, physical/metaphysical?
Short of that, feel free to help unpack the meaning of Quality itself and why it might be important?