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A pretextual traffic stop is when an officer pulls over a vehicle for minor traffic violations and takes that opportunity to investigate or search for bigger serious crimes. “The United States Supreme Court held that a traffic stop is reasonable under the Fourth Amendment if a police officer has probable cause to believe that a traffic violation has occurred, even if the stop is a pretext for the investigation of a more serious offense.” ¹

It is different from a regular traffic violation, as the Officer in this case could be suspicious that the vehicle was used for other illegal purposes. As of 2021, Virginia law prohibits pretextual traffic stops. “Specifically, the law states that a person cannot be pulled over based on these factors: the smell of marijuana or alcohol, broken tail light or other equipment violations, a loud exhaust, expired inspections, or license plates that are less than four months past due, tinted windows or cracked windshield.” ²

For police to have reasonable suspicion justifying a stop, they must possess "specific and articulable facts" indicating that the individual being stopped is, or is about to be, engaged in criminal activity.

“As a driver, you have legal rights, and you can only be pulled over and detained long enough to complete the actual objective of issuing a ticket or giving you a warning.” ²

What do you think? Should pretextual traffic stops be illegalized nationwide?

-Byron Dsouza


1. Brian J. O'Donnell, Whren v. United States: An Abrupt End to the Debate Over Pretextual Stops, 49 Me. L. Rev. 207 (1997).
2. Jack T Randall https://www.valegalservices.com/blog/wh ... ffic-stop/

I'm cool with getting rid of them. There's no shortage of actual crimes being committed, such that the police need to go fishing for future crimes.

You bet

I'm fine with pulling people over for traffic violations. But I'm not fine with the cops pulling people over as a way of forestalling possible crimes unless there is evidence that a person in the car committed, or will be likely commit, a crime.

Very true. Me too

byrondsouza wrote: ↑December 2nd, 2024, 7:14 am
What do you think? Should pretextual traffic stops be illegalized nationwide?

Being pulled over for traffic violations is their job, but using irrelevant acts in this manner is not acceptable. Wonder how such suggestions are tabled and how they go on to being passed.

Thats exactly what I was thinking.