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Charles Darwin or Daniel Dennett?
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In 2020-2021 the forum went down briefly due to a domain expiry. For weeks, the forum was offline. It was at that pivotal moment that users might have started to consider what actually would have been lost. I wrote:
New reading material for fans of Robert Pirsig (Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance)
https://onlinephilosophyclub.com/forums ... =6&t=18771
A reason to create the eBook tool was to convert some of the topics on this forum into an eBook for persevation and reading, more specificially topics in which user Hereandnow had participated.
One of his topics, "On the absurd hegemony of science" became one of the most popular topics on this forum with thousands of replies in mere days.
Faustus5
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Here are some quotes:
Faustus5: "Any kind of philosophical discussion that ventures into ill defined, vague territory without any hope of solving genuine, real problems for actual human beings means nothing to me, so science is foundation enough."
Hereandnow: "No, no, no. There is a LOT out there. You are just dismissive because your education is philosophically, ontologically rudderless, and this is because you don't read beyond science into science's and experience's underpinnings. Read Kant, Kierkegaard, Hegel (of whom I know less than others), Husserl, Fink, Levinas, Blanchot, Henry, Nancy (the French are extraordinary) Heidegger, Husserl, even Derrida, and others. THIS is where philosophy gets interesting."
Faustus5: "I have no interest at all in any of those folks. None whatsoever."
The evidence that user Faustus5 is indeed philosopher Daniel C. Dennett participating semi-openly in this debate is presented in detail in the following article:
Evidence that Faustus5 is Daniel C. Dennett
https://gmodebate.org/dennett-evidence/
Early on in the discussion Faustus5 makes an extraordinary claim:
Faustus5: "Well, I know Dennett's work more than any philosopher on earth, probably better than anyone you've ever met..."
This claim goes beyond mere academic familiarity. The use of "any philosopher on earth" logically includes Dennett himself, making this statement true only if Faustus5 is Dennett.
Following this claim, Faustus5 repeatedly emphasizes the importance of intellectual honesty while defending the views of Dennett:
"You can't find him doing this in his own words, which right away should ring alarm bells if you have any intellectual honesty and think accurately representing views you disagree with is essential to being a good scholar."
"Being honest about what the folks you disagree with actually believe is a pretty important virtue if good scholarship is something you value."
"I mean, common sense alone should dictate that if he squabbles with people who openly call themselves eliminativists over their eliminativism, it's kind of stupid to call him one."
This emphasis reinforces the earlier claim of unparalleled knowledge and creates a logical bind: either Faustus5 is Dennett, or they are violating their own ethical standards.
The discussion rapidly gained attention, reaching thousands of replies within days, with the first 40-50 pages focused on Dennett's views. Throughout this discussion, Faustus5 has:
Faustus5 consistently merges his identity with Dennett's:
"What Dennett and I are saying is that qualia are not real, and that qualia are a bad theoretical flourish that is unnecessary, not that there are mental states that don't exist."
"Basically, I agree with everything Dennett writes above 100%."
The perfect alignment and interchangeable use of "Dennett and I" strongly suggest a shared identity. Subsequently, Faustus5 demonstrates an insider's understanding of Dennett's philosophical stance:
"No, Dennett just thinks experiences don't have all the qualities that believers in qualia insist they do. He's more of a deflationist than an eliminativist."
This nuanced distinction shows a deep understanding of Dennett's position that goes beyond what a typical scholar might articulate. Faustus5 also vigorously defends against misinterpretations, as cited earlier: "You can't find him doing this in his own words…".
Emotional Evidence
User Atla made the following observation:
The response suggests that Faustus5 perceives Atla's comment as a direct challenge to their own identity. However, Faustus5 effectively revealed his identity as Dennett early in the discussion with his claim of unparalleled knowledge of Dennett's work. In this context, Faustus5's emotional response to Atla's comment "Dennett logic for the win.." takes on a different significance.
The decision to respond emotionally, given the public nature of the forum, is a conscious choice. The emotional response, far from being inconsistent with Dennett's identity, actually reinforces it. It shows the real person behind the philosophical arguments, engaging genuinely and emotionally with critiques of his ideas.
The logically necessary conclusion is that Faustus5 is renowned philosophy professor Daniel C. Dennett, engaging in a form of philosophical discourse that blends the personal with the academic, the emotional with the logical, in a manner that is uniquely possible on onlinephilosophyclub.com.
Dennett's Defence of Scientism
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The eBook can be downloaded here: https://gmodebate.org/book/absurd-hegemony-science/
The topic is located here: https://onlinephilosophyclub.com/forums ... 12&t=16848
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In 2020-2021 the forum went down briefly due to a domain expiry. For weeks, the forum was offline. It was at that pivotal moment that users might have started to consider what actually would have been lost. I wrote:
📚 wrote: ↑January 22nd, 2021, 5:53 amFor many users, the forum may be a sort of information resource and some discussion content may be of significant value for some users. I noticed that some users wrote extensively in some topics and when that content would be lost, it would be like completeSome time ago while browsing through the forum's post archive I discovered a post that appeared to be started by philosopher Robert M. Pirsig, author of 'the most sold philosophy book ever', of which several users on this forum are a fan. I published a tool that enables to create a professional ePub eBook of complete forum topics for eInk eReaders, which provides a different reading experience and, in my opinion, more profound insights from various new perspectives.books to be lost forever. I also noticed in a topic that someones grandfather was active on the forum and that his posts were a memorabilia.
books to be lost forever. I also noticed in a topic that someones grandfather was active on the forum and that his posts were a memorabilia.New reading material for fans of Robert Pirsig (Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance)
https://onlinephilosophyclub.com/forums ... =6&t=18771
A reason to create the eBook tool was to convert some of the topics on this forum into an eBook for persevation and reading, more specificially topics in which user Hereandnow had participated.
One of his topics, "On the absurd hegemony of science" became one of the most popular topics on this forum with thousands of replies in mere days.
Steve3007 wrote: ↑September 11th, 2020, 10:27 amThis topic is nothing if not popular.As it turned out, user Faustus5, who is likely a pseudonym of well known philosophy professor Daniel C. Dennett, participated in the topic since the first posts, exchanging hundreds of posts with the topic author in a fierce defence of scientism.
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Faustus5: "Any kind of philosophical discussion that ventures into ill defined, vague territory without any hope of solving genuine, real problems for actual human beings means nothing to me, so science is foundation enough."
Hereandnow: "No, no, no. There is a LOT out there. You are just dismissive because your education is philosophically, ontologically rudderless, and this is because you don't read beyond science into science's and experience's underpinnings. Read Kant, Kierkegaard, Hegel (of whom I know less than others), Husserl, Fink, Levinas, Blanchot, Henry, Nancy (the French are extraordinary) Heidegger, Husserl, even Derrida, and others. THIS is where philosophy gets interesting."
Faustus5: "I have no interest at all in any of those folks. None whatsoever."
The evidence that user Faustus5 is indeed philosopher Daniel C. Dennett participating semi-openly in this debate is presented in detail in the following article:
Evidence that Faustus5 is Daniel C. Dennetthttps://gmodebate.org/dennett-evidence/
Early on in the discussion Faustus5 makes an extraordinary claim:
Faustus5: "Well, I know Dennett's work more than any philosopher on earth, probably better than anyone you've ever met..."
This claim goes beyond mere academic familiarity. The use of "any philosopher on earth" logically includes Dennett himself, making this statement true only if Faustus5 is Dennett.
Following this claim, Faustus5 repeatedly emphasizes the importance of intellectual honesty while defending the views of Dennett:
"You can't find him doing this in his own words, which right away should ring alarm bells if you have any intellectual honesty and think accurately representing views you disagree with is essential to being a good scholar."
"Being honest about what the folks you disagree with actually believe is a pretty important virtue if good scholarship is something you value."
"I mean, common sense alone should dictate that if he squabbles with people who openly call themselves eliminativists over their eliminativism, it's kind of stupid to call him one."
This emphasis reinforces the earlier claim of unparalleled knowledge and creates a logical bind: either Faustus5 is Dennett, or they are violating their own ethical standards.
The discussion rapidly gained attention, reaching thousands of replies within days, with the first 40-50 pages focused on Dennett's views. Throughout this discussion, Faustus5 has:
- Claimed unparalleled knowledge of Dennett's work.
- Emphasized intellectual honesty and accurate representation of philosophical positions regarding Dennett's work.
- Seamlessly merged their identity with Dennett's.
Faustus5 consistently merges his identity with Dennett's:
"What Dennett and I are saying is that qualia are not real, and that qualia are a bad theoretical flourish that is unnecessary, not that there are mental states that don't exist."
"Basically, I agree with everything Dennett writes above 100%."
The perfect alignment and interchangeable use of "Dennett and I" strongly suggest a shared identity. Subsequently, Faustus5 demonstrates an insider's understanding of Dennett's philosophical stance:
"No, Dennett just thinks experiences don't have all the qualities that believers in qualia insist they do. He's more of a deflationist than an eliminativist."
This nuanced distinction shows a deep understanding of Dennett's position that goes beyond what a typical scholar might articulate. Faustus5 also vigorously defends against misinterpretations, as cited earlier: "You can't find him doing this in his own words…".
Emotional Evidence
User Atla made the following observation:
Atla wrote: ↑October 17th, 2020, 11:43 pmOkay so we can sum up your position as:In response to Atla's comment, Faustus5 reacts with intense emotion:
- only idiotic philosophers would dismiss the existence of qualia (such as feels and tastes)
- only idiotic philosophers would believe in the existence of qualia (such as feels and tastes)
Dennett logic for the win..
Faustus5 wrote: ↑October 18th, 2020, 9:34 am You love making up crap, don't you?The emotional outburst reveals a level of personal investment in the discussion that goes far beyond what one would expect from someone merely defending Dennett's views.
I get it; it's literally all you have left.
The response suggests that Faustus5 perceives Atla's comment as a direct challenge to their own identity. However, Faustus5 effectively revealed his identity as Dennett early in the discussion with his claim of unparalleled knowledge of Dennett's work. In this context, Faustus5's emotional response to Atla's comment "Dennett logic for the win.." takes on a different significance.
The decision to respond emotionally, given the public nature of the forum, is a conscious choice. The emotional response, far from being inconsistent with Dennett's identity, actually reinforces it. It shows the real person behind the philosophical arguments, engaging genuinely and emotionally with critiques of his ideas.
The logically necessary conclusion is that Faustus5 is renowned philosophy professor Daniel C. Dennett, engaging in a form of philosophical discourse that blends the personal with the academic, the emotional with the logical, in a manner that is uniquely possible on onlinephilosophyclub.com.
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The eBook can be downloaded here: https://gmodebate.org/book/absurd-hegemony-science/
The topic is located here: https://onlinephilosophyclub.com/forums ... 12&t=16848
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