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By amorphos_ii
#443047
We are all the same in the eyes of God, really, well is God the same as us in his eye’s then? In Druidry yes absolutely! There is a divine communism and all things are set out upon equal basis. However, is that true of your God? Or religion.

As I have seen deities and parts of deities from both Celtic and the ancient Egyptian religion. I have been having this debate in my head for some years now.

What makes a Pharaoh better than his subjects? For me it is simply a position and one of responsibility to the people, which I think for some Pharaoh’s was somewhat true.

A druid is respected and may preside over festivals and events, but may also have had to make uncomfortable decisions e.g. concerning the fate of kings and criminals, they can make them and break kings/queens. This is because the then society reckoned upon their freedom being paramount, and so a king was to be despised as one who in some ways took that away, or some aspect of it.

Spiritual basis:

I will try not to use such spurious terms as spirit or soul, for me a soul or sahu is simply the body you get given in the upper world [summer-lands/heaven/Elysian fields]. Where this body is of middle-earth and the dream body [spirit] of the underworld.

Take a plant cutting and place it into the ground, it will either ‘take’ or not. If it does, then it will grow roots and then be its own life-form or being. According to a German university [I can’t paste links], the root system of trees and plants have rudimentary cell features similar to neurons – though very different. This is how they organise things such as when to yield sugars to fungi in reward for information on what creatures are stalking the forests. Anyhow, that’s another debate, so here I am just trying to get to how incarnation works.

Plants then, and insects will be where lunar spirits [or greys as some people call them] gain entry into the world. In each incarnation they will learn more features concerning this world [earth-realm]. So the first incarnation is at the lunar [dream-mind] level, which itself has four divisions. Creatures and humans will return to that between incarnations, if that is, they are not ready to move up to the solar realm, or if there are no positions [births on earth] to take. An example is Tír na nÓg or land of youth, is where children who have unfortunately died, go between incarnations. As there are many layers to each realm, they can pertain to different incarnations, such that as when evolution advances, there are minds ready to occupy the given more advanced bodies. Equally so, there will mostly be a disparity between births and deaths of any given creature, and so the need for the different levels for the intermediate period between incarnations. There is also the ‘realm of purple orbs’ by which people may traverse between said realms, although this is mostly bypassed. I haven’t seen any non-humans nor non-deities in there, and so I think a spirit needs to be at least as advanced as humans to utilise it.

Note that in Buddhism the orb realm is blue and red, in the Egyptian book of the dead it is yellow and gold, so I assume the mind colours it in according to culture and religion.

Finally: I think I can sum up by saying there appears to be a general advancement of minds moving through different worlds/realms via different bodies. The mind is, if I may, a general and universal entity which permeates everything. It may thence become centralised into a subjective mind, or an epicentre of mind, which then reincarnates as it so wishes.

I assume there is no initial hierarchy to all that? Then that thereafter there are only positions by degree of advancement?


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By Sy Borg
#443050
I think we are akin to cells of the biosphere. So, yes, we are all the same according to the Earth.

Still, not all roles are equal. Consider slime moulds. The cells are all clones but, when it comes to reproduction, someone has to be in the stem and someone gets to be the fruiting body. Likewise, in a tree, some leaves are right at the top, accessing sunlight unimpeded, while others have to settle for lower positions. The human analogies are obvious although, for us, origins don't necessarily correlate with destiny, although that's perhaps increasingly the case today.
#443053
If destiny exists? Could be that all living things learn and progress, and that doesn’t mean one thing is superior to the other. Any such thing is surely temporary at best. The Pharaoh’s mind may need an incarnation as a beggar such to ‘evolve’ their spirit further.
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Sy Borg wrote: June 12th, 2023, 4:43 am I think we are akin to cells of the biosphere. So, yes, we are all the same according to the Earth.

Still, not all roles are equal. Consider slime moulds. The cells are all clones but, when it comes to reproduction, someone has to be in the stem and someone gets to be the fruiting body. Likewise, in a tree, some leaves are right at the top, accessing sunlight unimpeded, while others have to settle for lower positions. The human analogies are obvious although, for us, origins don't necessarily correlate with destiny, although that's perhaps increasingly the case today.
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