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An obvious observation of all observable natural history shows an ongoing experimental process right from the beginning

All that occurs in the physical and biological World shows continuous experimentation
- All that is happening now and from the beginning of observable time has occurred in a manner showing experimental processes.

When life began, supposedly with one cell, that cell split to create two - And then, as if set by deliberate experimental direction,
multiplied so as to create life forms of greater and greater complexity with an Evolutionary process that eliminated some life forms
and furthered the development of others.

This experimental process is ongoing and only DNA and genetics allows Man to predict and/or tamper with the experimental process


WHO OR WHAT SET THE ORIGINAL EXPERIMENT INTO PLAY ARE WE PART OF AN ALIEN EXPERIMENT WHAT DO YOU THINK

UniversalAlien wrote: ↑February 17th, 2023, 8:14 am An obvious observation of all observable natural history shows an ongoing experimental process right from the beginning

All that occurs in the physical and biological World shows continuous experimentation
- All that is happening now and from the beginning of observable time has occurred in a manner showing experimental processes.

When life began, supposedly with one cell, that cell split to create two - And then, as if set by deliberate experimental direction,
multiplied so as to create life forms of greater and greater complexity with an Evolutionary process that eliminated some life forms
and furthered the development of others.

This experimental process is ongoing and only DNA and genetics allows Man to predict and/or tamper with the experimental process


WHO OR WHAT SET THE ORIGINAL EXPERIMENT INTO PLAY ARE WE PART OF AN ALIEN EXPERIMENT WHAT DO YOU THINK

I sometimes wonder about the 'experimental' nature of life and, I often see my own life as being very experimental. However, seeing it as being an underlying intentional experiment by some other being, whether it God or an alien being is another matter entirely. As a child I used to sometimes fantasise that I was a creation of some creature's mind, and I don't think that I saw this creature as God, funnily enough, even though I believed in God. It was more of an 'alien' being, but it was essentially a fantasy rather than a belief which I saw as objectively true. It is probably interconnected with the idea of 'reality' as a simulation.

Nevertheless, life is about the pursuit of many possible variables, in the pursuit of goals and dreams. It can be seen as an experimental drama. However, that may be more about framing of meaning. If anything, life is about the various juggling and juxtapositions of the many random evolutions of possibilities, as possible worlds. But, this may be imminent in the experiences of the life of sentient creatures, especially in human consciousness and it still raises the question of whether this is a 'purpose' in itself or simply an interpretive understanding of meaning.

UniversalAlien wrote: ↑February 17th, 2023, 8:14 am An obvious observation of all observable natural history shows an ongoing experimental process right from the beginning

All that occurs in the physical and biological World shows continuous experimentation
- All that is happening now and from the beginning of observable time has occurred in a manner showing experimental processes.

When life began, supposedly with one cell, that cell split to create two - And then, as if set by deliberate experimental direction,
multiplied so as to create life forms of greater and greater complexity with an Evolutionary process that eliminated some life forms
and furthered the development of others.

This experimental process is ongoing and only DNA and genetics allows Man to predict and/or tamper with the experimental process


WHO OR WHAT SET THE ORIGINAL EXPERIMENT INTO PLAY ARE WE PART OF AN ALIEN EXPERIMENT WHAT DO YOU THINK

I cannot counter whether we are the result of an experiment or not. I am wondering if you can show that we are the result of an experiment.

Bahman wrote: ↑February 17th, 2023, 12:58 pm
I cannot counter whether we are the result of an experiment or not. I am wondering if you can show that we are the result of an experiment.

As I said 'nature itself' appears to be engaged in an experimental process - Nature and the physical and biological universe IS experimenting
and probably was always experimenting.

The real questions are WHY Who or what started it And is there, or was there, any purpose to this experiment

UniversalAlien wrote: ↑February 17th, 2023, 7:38 pm

Bahman wrote: ↑February 17th, 2023, 12:58 pm
I cannot counter whether we are the result of an experiment or not. I am wondering if you can show that we are the result of an experiment.

As I said 'nature itself' appears to be engaged in an experimental process - Nature and the physical and biological universe IS experimenting
and probably was always experimenting.

There is of course natural process involved in life.

UniversalAlien wrote: ↑February 17th, 2023, 7:38 pm The real questions are WHY

This depends on whether there is a creator or not.

UniversalAlien wrote: ↑February 17th, 2023, 7:38 pm Who or what started it

I can show that time is acausal. For the rest of the stuff, who knows?

UniversalAlien wrote: ↑February 17th, 2023, 7:38 pm And is there, or was there, any purpose to this experiment

Again, this depends on whether there is a creator or not.

Bahman quoting UniversalAlien wrote:

UniversalAlien wrote: ↑Yesterday, 3:38 pm
"And is there, or was there, any purpose to this experiment "

Again, this depends on whether there is a creator or not.

Of course you ask a basic question - But I believe it is more complicated.

First, if there is A Creator the "why " still remains - Why create anything if you are this hypothetically perfect entity

And, again hypothetically, even if there is no Creator, the experimental nature of all existence still remains

- Why am I observing an experiment that I am part of

Is the whole Universe a giant experiment Creator of not, why is still the big question

Can we infer that there are objectives to it all

UniversalAlien wrote: ↑February 18th, 2023, 7:56 pm Bahman quoting UniversalAlien wrote:

UniversalAlien wrote: ↑Yesterday, 3:38 pm
"And is there, or was there, any purpose to this experiment "

Again, this depends on whether there is a creator or not.

Of course you ask a basic question - But I believe it is more complicated.

First, if there is A Creator the "why " still remains -

Are you asking why the creator persists to exist?

UniversalAlien wrote: ↑February 18th, 2023, 7:56 pm Why create anything if you are this hypothetically perfect entity

I cannot understand your question. I am not perfect.

UniversalAlien wrote: ↑February 18th, 2023, 7:56 pm And, again hypothetically, even if there is no Creator, the experimental nature of all existence still remains

To me, there are entities so call minds that cannot be destroyed and they are the cause of all motions in the universe.

UniversalAlien wrote: ↑February 18th, 2023, 7:56 pm - Why am I observing an experiment that I am part of

But there would be no experiment if there was no God.

UniversalAlien wrote: ↑February 18th, 2023, 7:56 pm Is the whole Universe a giant experiment Creator of not, why is still the big question

Can we infer that there are objectives to it all

I don't know whether there is an objective meaning in life.

UniversalAlien wrote: ↑February 17th, 2023, 8:14 am


WHO OR WHAT SET THE ORIGINAL EXPERIMENT INTO PLAY ARE WE PART OF AN ALIEN EXPERIMENT WHAT DO YOU THINK

I think you're seeing design where there isn't, that's what I think. Intelligent Design has been debunked many times before, but some people are still going along with it.

Count Lucanor wrote: ↑February 22nd, 2023, 9:37 pm

UniversalAlien wrote: ↑February 17th, 2023, 8:14 am WHO OR WHAT SET THE ORIGINAL EXPERIMENT INTO PLAY ARE WE PART OF AN ALIEN EXPERIMENT WHAT DO YOU THINK

I think you're seeing design where there isn't, that's what I think. Intelligent Design has been debunked many times before, but some people are still going along with it.

I see your point - Afterall in a Universe of so called Intelligent Design, how would you account for all so called intelligent Humans
being as myopic and dumb as they apparently are

I don't know if you can really debunk intelligent design - But certainly can prove Human stupidity


“Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe.”

― Albert Einstein

UniversalAlien wrote: ↑February 23rd, 2023, 5:58 am

Count Lucanor wrote: ↑February 22nd, 2023, 9:37 pm

UniversalAlien wrote: ↑February 17th, 2023, 8:14 am WHO OR WHAT SET THE ORIGINAL EXPERIMENT INTO PLAY ARE WE PART OF AN ALIEN EXPERIMENT WHAT DO YOU THINK

I think you're seeing design where there isn't, that's what I think. Intelligent Design has been debunked many times before, but some people are still going along with it.

I see your point - Afterall in a Universe of so called Intelligent Design, how would you account for all so called intelligent Humans
being as myopic and dumb as they apparently are

I don't know if you can really debunk intelligent design - But certainly can prove Human stupidity


“Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe.”

― Albert Einstein

Now you're right on the money!!!

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What do I think?

UA, I think you are a great fan of science fiction. I'm a fan too. I also think Alan Masterman may have nailed it.

I also think Prometheus had a ton of plot holes. The watchmaker is blind.

Tangentially, it seems likely that Venus was habitable before Earth was, so it's possible that microbial life first emerged on Venus and made its way to Earth via asteroids released by volcanism or large meteor strikes.

Bahman wrote: ↑February 17th, 2023, 12:58 pm I cannot counter whether we are the result of an experiment or not. I am wondering if you can show that we are the result of an experiment.

UniversalAlien wrote: ↑February 17th, 2023, 7:38 pm As I said 'nature itself' appears to be engaged in an experimental process - Nature and the physical and biological universe IS experimenting
and probably was always experimenting.

Experimentation is an intelligent and directed approach. Evolution (i.e. "nature"), on the other hand, is driven by random mutations, which are unintelligent and undirected. Big difference. I.e. nature is not "experimenting", nor is it obviously an experiment being performed by others. Life evolves.

Sy Borg wrote: ↑May 10th, 2023, 5:23 pm I also think Prometheus had a ton of plot holes. The watchmaker is blind.

Yes, indeed. I think that's what I'm saying, too.

The strong possibility that we Earthlings are alone in the galaxy, maybe the universe, makes us humans struggle for perspective. Personally, I think Earth hominids are probably the first technological species in this very, very young universe, which has another trillion years of star formation ahead of it. That is the most obvious explanation for the Fermi paradox.

The other disorienting issue is the uncertainty around how the universe came to be. That knowledge gap leaves room for gods and godlike "engineers", or for "turtles all the way down".

We can validly apply Occam's razor here. There's no point adding extra steps until there's at least some hint of evidence or them. It seems more likely that the universe created itself (which it is still doing) than creation by an entity with suspiciously humanlike attributes.

However, an issue remains that is more sci fi than most sci fi. Was ours the first Big Bang or were there many more beforehand? For all we know, this could be the quintillionth Big Bang, not the first.

If each successive universe produces stars for a trillion years like ours (a big if) then who knows what entities might have developed along the way, solving each existential challenge until they effectively became immortal, surviving (dormantly?) on vacuum energy. The presence of intelligence in space itself necessarily changes space, so they would necessarily influence subsequent Big Bangs. That would mean that theists, scientists and even UA were all somewhat correct ;)