Philosophy Discussion Forums | A Humans-Only Club for Open-Minded Discussion & Debate

[Sushan]

This topic is about the August 2022 Philosophy Book of the Month, Living in Color: A Love Story, In Sickness and in Health by Mike Murphy



There is a time factor in any area that we cross in our lives. People have many dreams and plans, but along with many other factors time is a crucial determinator when it comes to fulfill them. But this author thinks otherwise.

Dreams don’t follow the clock, they follow the heart

(Location 332 - Kindle version)

What do you think about this idea? Can we even bend time if we follow our hearts, given that the heart is set in the correct path?

[stevie]

People have many dreams and plans, but along with many other factors time is a crucial determinator when it comes to fulfill them. But this author thinks otherwise.

Dreams don’t follow the clock, they follow the heart

(Location 332 - Kindle version)

What do you think about this idea? Can we even bend time if we follow our hearts, given that the heart is set in the correct path?

I've not read more of the book than your quote. The quote doesn't seem to contradict what you say: the thesis "Dreams don’t follow the clock, they follow the heart" appears to be compatible with the thesis that "time is a crucial determinator when it comes to fulfill" those dreams.

[JackDaydream]

This topic is about the August 2022 Philosophy Book of the Month, Living in Color: A Love Story, In Sickness and in Health by Mike Murphy



There is a time factor in any area that we cross in our lives. People have many dreams and plans, but along with many other factors time is a crucial determinator when it comes to fulfill them. But this author thinks otherwise.

Dreams don’t follow the clock, they follow the heart

(Location 332 - Kindle version)

What do you think about this idea? Can we even bend time if we follow our hearts, given that the heart is set in the correct path?

It may be that dreams step outside of the linear dimensions of time. This may be different to the everyday sentience of human experiences, connecting to other dimensions, including the nature of eternity. This may be a little different from the way in which physical causation is experienced, especially in relation to the 3D nature of reality in which most experiences are usually perceived,Within 'dream reality' there is a weaving in and out of the usual framework of consciousness, including going beyond the scope of clockwork time, into a wider perspective of eternity as a source and point of reference for understanding the larger picture and perspective of experience.

[stevie]

It may be that .... This may be...This may be a little different from ...

You know what all your "may be[s]" may be?

[JackDaydream]

It may be that .... This may be...This may be a little different from ...

You know what all your "may be[s]" may be?

My thinking seems to involve a lot of may be's, bound up with a lot uncertainty. Perhaps, I should adopt 'May Be' as a prefix to Daydream, in order to convey more fluidity to my Daydream self. If anything, dreams are about the may be's in the surreal imagination and the fluidity connected to the inbetweeness of the real and unreal, outside of space and time.

[Gee]

Jack,

Actually, you are correct. Dreams do not follow the clock because they source from the unconscious aspect of mind, some parts of which do not acknowledge time. Emotion also works through the unconscious, so it is reasonable to state that dreams follow the heart and not the clock.

You can look up Blanco's work where he found that there is a logic that can be found in the unconscious as long as one dismisses time.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignacio_Matte_Blanco

Gee

[Sushan]

People have many dreams and plans, but along with many other factors time is a crucial determinator when it comes to fulfill them. But this author thinks otherwise.

Dreams don’t follow the clock, they follow the heart

(Location 332 - Kindle version)

What do you think about this idea? Can we even bend time if we follow our hearts, given that the heart is set in the correct path?

I've not read more of the book than your quote. The quote doesn't seem to contradict what you say: the thesis "Dreams don’t follow the clock, they follow the heart" appears to be compatible with the thesis that "time is a crucial determinator when it comes to fulfill" those dreams.

I am sorry but I do not see the compatibility between the two. I believe time is a crucial factor, and if you put your heart in an unrealistic goal, time can be the deciding factor but not your heart.

[Sushan]

This topic is about the August 2022 Philosophy Book of the Month, Living in Color: A Love Story, In Sickness and in Health by Mike Murphy



There is a time factor in any area that we cross in our lives. People have many dreams and plans, but along with many other factors time is a crucial determinator when it comes to fulfill them. But this author thinks otherwise.

Dreams don’t follow the clock, they follow the heart

(Location 332 - Kindle version)

What do you think about this idea? Can we even bend time if we follow our hearts, given that the heart is set in the correct path?

It may be that dreams step outside of the linear dimensions of time. This may be different to the everyday sentience of human experiences, connecting to other dimensions, including the nature of eternity. This may be a little different from the way in which physical causation is experienced, especially in relation to the 3D nature of reality in which most experiences are usually perceived,Within 'dream reality' there is a weaving in and out of the usual framework of consciousness, including going beyond the scope of clockwork time, into a wider perspective of eternity as a source and point of reference for understanding the larger picture and perspective of experience.

Seemingly you have taken this discussion towards the dreams that we see during our sleep, which is another interesting topic. Yes, in dream reality the time runs so quickly. We experience hours in our dreams, but in the real world those hours are mere seconds. So, yes, in 'dream reality' the time perception acts differently.

[Sushan]

It may be that .... This may be...This may be a little different from ...

You know what all your "may be[s]" may be?

I think 'may be' is the base of most of our arguments. If we knew about something for sure, we may not be able to argue upon that.

[Sushan]

It may be that .... This may be...This may be a little different from ...

You know what all your "may be[s]" may be?

My thinking seems to involve a lot of may be's, bound up with a lot uncertainty. Perhaps, I should adopt 'May Be' as a prefix to Daydream, in order to convey more fluidity to my Daydream self. If anything, dreams are about the may be's in the surreal imagination and the fluidity connected to the inbetweeness of the real and unreal, outside of space and time.

True. Dreams offer us unlimited opportunities and possibilities which are not possible in reality, and we even do not imagine of. So I think I can agree with your idea on dreams being the 'inbetweenness of the real and unreal'.

[Sushan]

Jack,

Actually, you are correct. Dreams do not follow the clock because they source from the unconscious aspect of mind, some parts of which do not acknowledge time. Emotion also works through the unconscious, so it is reasonable to state that dreams follow the heart and not the clock.

You can look up Blanco's work where he found that there is a logic that can be found in the unconscious as long as one dismisses time.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignacio_Matte_Blanco

Gee

Being unconscious is inevitably coupled with lack of perception regarding the concept of time. If dreams are connected with unconsciousness, then definitely the lack of time perception should have an interconnection with dreaming.

But, as you said, do emotions also work through unconsciousness?

[stevie]

People have many dreams and plans, but along with many other factors time is a crucial determinator when it comes to fulfill them. But this author thinks otherwise.

Dreams don’t follow the clock, they follow the heart

(Location 332 - Kindle version)

What do you think about this idea? Can we even bend time if we follow our hearts, given that the heart is set in the correct path?

I've not read more of the book than your quote. The quote doesn't seem to contradict what you say: the thesis "Dreams don’t follow the clock, they follow the heart" appears to be compatible with the thesis that "time is a crucial determinator when it comes to fulfill" those dreams.

I am sorry but I do not see the compatibility between the two. I believe time is a crucial factor, and if you put your heart in an unrealistic goal, time can be the deciding factor but not your heart.

Well to me these two theses appear completely comtpatible. I think your fault is to think of the realization of a dream but the thesis "Dreams don’t follow the clock, they follow the heart" is completely independent of the realization of a dream.

[Sushan]

People have many dreams and plans, but along with many other factors time is a crucial determinator when it comes to fulfill them. But this author thinks otherwise.

(Location 332 - Kindle version)

What do you think about this idea? Can we even bend time if we follow our hearts, given that the heart is set in the correct path?

I've not read more of the book than your quote. The quote doesn't seem to contradict what you say: the thesis "Dreams don’t follow the clock, they follow the heart" appears to be compatible with the thesis that "time is a crucial determinator when it comes to fulfill" those dreams.

I am sorry but I do not see the compatibility between the two. I believe time is a crucial factor, and if you put your heart in an unrealistic goal, time can be the deciding factor but not your heart.

Well to me these two theses appear completely comtpatible. I think your fault is to think of the realization of a dream but the thesis "Dreams don’t follow the clock, they follow the heart" is completely independent of the realization of a dream.

I am sorry, but I just wanted to clarify whether we are on the same page. I think both of us are discussing about dreams for future achievements, but not the dreams that we see during our sleeps ( Please correct me if I am wrong).

And in that case realization of a dream matters. And then 'time' becomes definitely a crucial factor because opportunities and resources are limited in quantity as well as availability.

[stevie]

I've not read more of the book than your quote. The quote doesn't seem to contradict what you say: the thesis "Dreams don’t follow the clock, they follow the heart" appears to be compatible with the thesis that "time is a crucial determinator when it comes to fulfill" those dreams.

I am sorry but I do not see the compatibility between the two. I believe time is a crucial factor, and if you put your heart in an unrealistic goal, time can be the deciding factor but not your heart.

Well to me these two theses appear completely comtpatible. I think your fault is to think of the realization of a dream but the thesis "Dreams don’t follow the clock, they follow the heart" is completely independent of the realization of a dream.

I am sorry, but I just wanted to clarify whether we are on the same page. I think both of us are discussing about dreams for future achievements, but not the dreams that we see during our sleeps ( Please correct me if I am wrong).

And in that case realization of a dream matters. And then 'time' becomes definitely a crucial factor because opportunities and resources are limited in quantity as well as availability.

I cannot follow your line of reasoning but again have to refer you to what I said. Even if the dreams in question are "dreams for future achievements" the thesis "Dreams don’t follow the clock, they follow the heart" is completely independent of the realization of a dream. You never can be sure to achieve what you want but you always can dream about achieving it and use rational thoughts to support your dream.

[Arbu123]

With the internal clock, I suspect we can cut dreams short if we think awaking is coming soon. It might be embedded in us from a young age and our experience with sleeping and dreaming. However, abrupt awakening can change dream pattern.