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Dracula wrote: ↑July 5th, 2022, 4:04 am I believe the first step in knowing existence is to know it's absolute. With that knowledge comes all knowledge. Thus when we become our souls everything will be absolute (all the souls and the realm). Also, if one believes in Heaven you can say Heaven is absolute. By absolute I'm implying infinite or beyond. I know existence is absolute and when I came to that awakening I learned a lot about existence. Yes... absolute bliss etc for all eternity.
Dracula wrote: ↑July 5th, 2022, 5:12 am What I mean by absolute is, one two three all the way to the top. For example, here's chocolate cake, here's absolute chocolate cake. It tastes a lot better. Another example would be, here's a human's mind, here's an absolute human mind. He's a lot smarter.You seem to be using "absolute" to mean something close to "perfect". A "perfect" chocolate cake tastes better than a less-than-perfect one. It's an unusual usage, but OK...
Dracula wrote: ↑July 5th, 2022, 5:12 am Let me say this, everything in existence is a word and everything in existence is a number. Numbers are the gateway to knowing the truth. Here's the universe, here's an absolute universe.In what way do numbers offer a gateway to knowing the truth, do you think?
Pattern-chaser wrote: ↑July 6th, 2022, 9:19 amNo see my meaning of absolute is a number. Here's a potion of bliss, here's a potion of bliss times one hundred, here's you in bliss times one hundred. Another example is, here's 12 colors, here's infinite colors. There's an absolute number of colors and every one color is absolute.Dracula wrote: ↑July 5th, 2022, 5:12 am What I mean by absolute is, one two three all the way to the top. For example, here's chocolate cake, here's absolute chocolate cake. It tastes a lot better. Another example would be, here's a human's mind, here's an absolute human mind. He's a lot smarter.You seem to be using "absolute" to mean something close to "perfect". A "perfect" chocolate cake tastes better than a less-than-perfect one. It's an unusual usage, but OK...
Dracula wrote: ↑July 5th, 2022, 5:12 am Let me say this, everything in existence is a word and everything in existence is a number. Numbers are the gateway to knowing the truth. Here's the universe, here's an absolute universe.In what way do numbers offer a gateway to knowing the truth, do you think?
Sy Borg wrote: ↑July 6th, 2022, 9:27 pm What I am seeing is a blend of whimsical guesswork and mythology. As is so often the case, those who start with the proposition that the mythical God as described in the Bible is real come up with odd and wildly speculative schemas to explain it. Not sure why they bother pulling at that thread.I can't tell if you're talking to me or not. Let me clarify what I believe in and what I was saying. I believe in Origin not Heaven. Origin is just souls and a realm. I relate to everyone when I talk about the existence that we'll have as our souls forever. Origin and Heaven would be the same thing, minus a God.
Dracula wrote: ↑July 5th, 2022, 4:04 am I believe the first step in knowing existence is to know it's absolute. With that knowledge comes all knowledge. Thus when we become our souls everything will be absolute (all the souls and the realm). Also, if one believes in Heaven you can say Heaven is absolute. By absolute I'm implying infinite or beyond. I know existence is absolute and when I came to that awakening I learned a lot about existence. Yes... absolute bliss etc for all eternity.Existence is absolute because it is the essence of everything, material and and abstract. Because it has no origin, it has no end, it transcends time and space. Because it exists in everything and and everywhere, as the essence, we too are Existence in our essence. Its nature is the bliss from fullness, which the lack of nothing.
Pattern-chaser wrote: ↑July 6th, 2022, 9:19 am In what way do numbers offer a gateway to knowing the truth, do you think?Numbers are abstract concepts. Number 6. When it interacts with other numbers it transforms them - 3 to 18, 4 to 24 and so on. We know very well HOW it does that, the mathematics of it, we see it. But WHY? What is it about 6 which is an abstract concept? I think mathematics leads us to recognizing eternal Truth.
Sy Borg wrote: ↑July 6th, 2022, 9:27 pm What I am seeing is a blend of whimsical guesswork and mythology. As is so often the case, those who start with the proposition that the mythical God as described in the Bible is real come up with odd and wildly speculative schemas to explain it. Not sure why they bother pulling at that thread.I agree that Christianity's concept of a creator God limits the nature of absolute existence. But there are several other ways of looking at Existence, as eternal and transcendental, even within Christianity. The problem with insistence on reading the Bible as a literal text, both by theists and atheists, is a tragic mistake. It is the hole that makes the donut, not the fatty flour and eggs and oil. Explaining that hole with mere words to people who have limited capacity, time, patience and willingness, is impossible. Only metaphors will do, and ultimately the Absolute needs to be experienced, not understood.
What theists should ever more start to appreciate is that there is no possible coherent way to describe God as a play in physical reality, because God is a metameme, a multi-use concept that exists within human minds that has the overall effect of increasing dopamine and oxytocin production in the brain of believers by providing pleasurable imaginative creations and reducing fear of death.
Theists should be better off appreciating that there is no sensible or coherent way to explain the existence of a creator God, and to simply embrace their faith for faith's sake without pretending to explain it. Theists have the option of dismissing all objections with mysterianism. Belief is not rational, rather belief in God is inherently creative, hence every believer creates their own personal conception of God (or Allah, etc).
Camus observed that the "philosophical suicide" of religious faith is a means of coping with life's absurdity, to embrace a pleasant fantasy, which cushions the blow of seeking meaning in life within an uncaring and dangerous universe.
Pattern-chaser wrote: ↑July 6th, 2022, 9:19 am In what way do numbers offer a gateway to knowing the truth, do you think?
AmericanKestrel wrote: ↑July 21st, 2022, 1:01 pm Numbers are abstract concepts. Number 6. When it interacts with other numbers it transforms them - 3 to 18, 4 to 24 and so on. We know very well HOW it does that, the mathematics of it, we see it. But WHY? What is it about 6 which is an abstract concept? I think mathematics leads us to recognizing eternal Truth.What is it about 6 which is an abstract concept? That it is a number, I think.
Dracula wrote: ↑July 5th, 2022, 4:04 am I believe the first step in knowing existence is to know it's absolute. With that knowledge comes all knowledge. Thus when we become our souls everything will be absolute (all the souls and the realm). Also, if one believes in Heaven you can say Heaven is absolute. By absolute I'm implying infinite or beyond. I know existence is absolute and when I came to that awakening I learned a lot about existence. Yes... absolute bliss etc for all eternity.If the universe isn't absolute how can existence be?
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