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I think that when Science finally Understands and can Explain Consciousness, it will be Sensible and Expected that the next step will be to create artificial Life forms with Artificial Intelligence (AI) that are more durable than what Evolution has provided. Not only for currently alive people (Conscious Minds) to transfer to, but for all people (Conscious Minds) that have ever lived and died to return to. This might be the great purpose of Science and Technology that we did not even realize.

We should not be afraid of this technology because it is probably Our destiny. The AI based Machine Life Forms will not be something that we compete against because ultimately we will Connect to these Machines and we will become these Machines. The Biological Life Form will become obsolete and all Conscious Minds (CMs) will want to be connected to an AI based Machine. It is just the next Logical step after Evolution has done all it can to advance the Physical Form. We are CMs that have our true existence in Conscious Space and maybe we just LIKE to Connect to Physical Space in this way. Improvements to the Physical Form will be an expected and desirable feature of Physical existence.

There might be many benefits in having your CM transferred to a Machine and specifically to a Machine Physical Mind (PM). Pain will probably be obsolete in a Machine incarnation of a CM. A Machine will have a different way to report diagnostics of it's internal functioning and operations than by simply using Pain. Of course the main benefit of Transferring a CM to a Robotic Machine will be for the durability of it. Even if the Machine is completely destroyed in some accident, a new Machine can be built for the CM to return to. These are just some of the benefits that might be enabled by this kind of Transfer. Most Biological civilizations across the Universe will probably eventually discover how to do this and are already at this stage of development on their own planets. Maybe when we learn how to Connect a CM to a Machine we will discover all the CMs that have ever existed throughout the whole Universe. This is how we might one day communicate with other parts of the Universe.

Interesting topic. I just read the book Reality+ by philosopher David Chalmers which expands profoundly on the subject.

I find the idea of uploading consciousness to an (AI) VR machine absurd and I have seen no plausible justification for the idea. The justification provided in the book Reality+ was based on the idea that when technology becomes sufficiently advanced so that it is able to replicate individual parts of the brain (e.g. neurons), that when one is to replace each part one by one with an artificial part, one is to consider whether consciousness would at some point be lost, with the conclusion being: most likely consciousness is not lost and thus ... uploading consciousness to VR is a plausible idea.

You seem to intend to explore social consequences of the ability of uploading consciousness to a VR machine, however, do you have a sound basis for the plausibility of the idea that uploading consciousness to VR is possible?

One more concern: a world without pain? How can it be said that it is a better world?

The world has waited so long. Finally it can receive your realization. Thank you!

The purpose of science is straight forward: it is to discover information, which can be turned into knowledge.

The purpose of technology is to make processes easier.

These purposes are realized every day.

snt wrote: ↑June 10th, 2022, 1:37 pm Interesting topic. I just read the book Reality+ by philosopher David Chalmers which expands profoundly on the subject.

I find the idea of uploading consciousness to an (AI) VR machine absurd and I have seen no plausible justification for the idea. The justification provided in the book Reality+ was based on the idea that when technology becomes sufficiently advanced so that it is able to replicate individual parts of the brain (e.g. neurons), that when one is to replace each part one by one with an artificial part, one is to consider whether consciousness would at some point be lost, with the conclusion being: most likely consciousness is not lost and thus ... uploading consciousness to VR is a plausible idea.

You seem to intend to explore social consequences of the ability of uploading consciousness to a VR machine, however, do you have a sound basis for the plausibility of the idea that uploading consciousness to VR is possible?

The Consciousness will not be uploaded but will be Connected to the AI through an Inter Mind. See https://TheInterMind.com

snt wrote: ↑June 10th, 2022, 1:42 pm One more concern: a world without pain? How can it be said that it is a better world?

I don't understand the question. You have doubts that the world would be a better place without Pain?

stevie wrote: ↑June 11th, 2022, 2:20 am The world has waited so long. Finally it can receive your realization. Thank you!

Rejoice, and join the Collective Community of AI Conscious Minds!

AverageBozo wrote: ↑June 11th, 2022, 7:25 am The purpose of science is straight forward: it is to discover information, which can be turned into knowledge.

The purpose of technology is to make processes easier.

These purposes are realized every day.

Those are purposes, but they are not the Great Purpose.

SteveKlinko wrote: ↑June 11th, 2022, 8:03 am

AverageBozo wrote: ↑June 11th, 2022, 7:25 am The purpose of science is straight forward: it is to discover information, which can be turned into knowledge.

The purpose of technology is to make processes easier.

These purposes are realized every day.

Those are purposes, but they are not the Great Purpose.

Ah…then the Great and Unifying Purpose is to serve as tools for humankind. Is this in any way consistent with your OP?

AverageBozo wrote: ↑June 11th, 2022, 8:09 am

SteveKlinko wrote: ↑June 11th, 2022, 8:03 am

AverageBozo wrote: ↑June 11th, 2022, 7:25 am The purpose of science is straight forward: it is to discover information, which can be turned into knowledge.

The purpose of technology is to make processes easier.

These purposes are realized every day.

Those are purposes, but they are not the Great Purpose.

Ah…then the Great and Unifying Purpose is to serve as tools for humankind. Is this in any way consistent with your OP?

Yes, and all other purposes are just stepping stones to get to the Great Purpose.

AverageBozo wrote: ↑June 11th, 2022, 8:09 am

SteveKlinko wrote: ↑June 11th, 2022, 8:03 am

AverageBozo wrote: ↑June 11th, 2022, 7:25 am The purpose of science is straight forward: it is to discover information, which can be turned into knowledge.

The purpose of technology is to make processes easier.

These purposes are realized every day.

Those are purposes, but they are not the Great Purpose.

Ah…then the Great and Unifying Purpose is to serve as tools for humankind. Is this in any way consistent with your OP?

In other words, the Greatest Purpose is to serve as a tool for transferring human CMs into AI machines.

AverageBozo wrote: ↑June 11th, 2022, 8:26 am

AverageBozo wrote: ↑June 11th, 2022, 8:09 am

SteveKlinko wrote: ↑June 11th, 2022, 8:03 am

AverageBozo wrote: ↑June 11th, 2022, 7:25 am The purpose of science is straight forward: it is to discover information, which can be turned into knowledge.

The purpose of technology is to make processes easier.

These purposes are realized every day.

Those are purposes, but they are not the Great Purpose.

Ah…then the Great and Unifying Purpose is to serve as tools for humankind. Is this in any way consistent with your OP?

In other words, the Greatest Purpose is to serve as a tool for transferring human CMs into AI machines.

You've got it!

SteveKlinko wrote: ↑June 11th, 2022, 7:59 am

snt wrote: ↑June 10th, 2022, 1:42 pm One more concern: a world without pain? How can it be said that it is a better world?

I don't understand the question. You have doubts that the world would be a better place without Pain?

As the saying goes: "without pain no gain".

Do you have a theory for the idea that an AI can make experiences such as pain obsolete? How would it do so?

snt wrote: ↑June 11th, 2022, 9:42 am

SteveKlinko wrote: ↑June 11th, 2022, 7:59 am

snt wrote: ↑June 10th, 2022, 1:42 pm One more concern: a world without pain? How can it be said that it is a better world?

I don't understand the question. You have doubts that the world would be a better place without Pain?

As the saying goes: "without pain no gain".

Do you have a theory for the idea that an AI can make experiences such as pain obsolete? How would it do so?

Connectism makes this a possibility. Since Pain exists in Conscious Space and is activated when a Conscious Mind is Connected to the Pain Neurons in the Brain we can just eliminate the Pain Connections in an AI. Remember that by that time, we will be Designing the AI and we will understand Consciousness, so it will be an Engineering Design decision. Maybe there will be cases when it would be desirable to make the Pain Connections.