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For a person to believe in any god, without proof of his goodness, would not be the best thinking or choice.
It would kill the ability to choose another who might be better.
Goodness is the foundation of godliness. Yahweh is demonstrably evil; yet has a large following who never dares discuss morals and resorts to inquisition and jihad type of insults to their brighter, non-supernatural god believing brethren.
If being a decent citizen was based on the desires of destroying the majority who are not like them, real-life would be hell; as many would not be able to stop the antics of the young who kill. The young know that we love war and too many oblige, even as the numbers are better than ever.
Yet we think those who pray for Armageddon are good decent people.
I say to hell with all who want to end my life just for thinking in a more moral way than my poor delusional brethren.
I say that because, as an idol worshiper, you have given up your free will.
You have damned yourself to hell, by doing such a harm to your mind, --- and running away from facing the morals that have you using inquisition and jihad tactics for mind control.
Bishop Spong foretold that the savior belief, because of all it's immoral tenets would be what kills Christianity as a whole.
He was wrong. It will kill all religions that respect that and that is most of them, be they have a supernatural god or not.
I invite Jesus believers to argue.
If there is goodness in you or your genocidal god, then come and explain why he always kills, when Jesus, alias Yahweh of The Terrible Trinity shame, come and learn the evil you adore and why your religion had to grow with murder, as your ancients as well as yourself, if you could, were to morally corrupt to convert with love.
Regards
DL

Greatest I am wrote: ↑July 30th, 2021, 7:40 pm For a person to believe in any god, without proof of his goodness, would not be the best thinking or choice.
It would kill the ability to choose another who might be better.

Why is it not be best to first find out what's true, and then worry about whether or not it seems good? And how would choosing to accept one religion take away your ability to change your mind later?

If you admit that there must be at a god, then I can see how it might make sense to decide whether or not to believe certain claims about his character by your own ideas of morality, since that standard would presumably have come from the true god, whichever one that is; but I'm not sure how far that could go. Isn't it possible that your moral intuition is wrong?

Greatest I am wrote: ↑July 30th, 2021, 7:40 pm For a person to believe in any god, without proof of his goodness, would not be the best thinking or choice.
It would kill the ability to choose another who might be better.
Goodness is the foundation of godliness. Yahweh is demonstrably evil...

Good and evil are not viable concepts, philosophically. Their meaning is garbled. Good or evil for/to/toward what or who, exactly? What is good for one creature is evil to another. And so on. What is this "Goodness", that is "the foundation of godliness"? I suggest that good and evil can only obscure your point(s).

ManInTheMoon wrote: ↑July 31st, 2021, 3:16 am

Greatest I am wrote: ↑July 30th, 2021, 7:40 pm For a person to believe in any god, without proof of his goodness, would not be the best thinking or choice.
It would kill the ability to choose another who might be better.

Why is it not be best to first find out what's true, and then worry about whether or not it seems good?

It is best to find out what is true. It is also best to evaluate it's goodness quickly so as to know if it brings harm or care.

As a Gnostic Christian, I see the genocidal Yahweh/Jesus as bringing more harm than care.

And how would choosing to accept one religion take away your ability to change your mind later?

Think of the religions that kill those who join then try to leave. Apostates are not allowed to change stripes.

I should nesd say nothing else.

If you admit that there must be at a god, then I can see how it might make sense to decide whether or not to believe certain claims about his character by your own ideas of morality, since that standard would presumably have come from the true god, whichever one that is; but I'm not sure how far that could go. Isn't it possible that your moral intuition is wrong?

Sure.

That is why I lay it out here for all to challenge.

If wrong, I want to be the first to know so that I might improve myself.

I do unto others by inviting Christians to debate my morals against theirs.

Their constant running away confirms my views too often for me to think that I am wrong.

I follow the evidence and proofs that say that I am the best moralist I can find.

I say that in shame because I sure don't feel the best, even as no one will take on this champ.

Regards
DL

Pattern-chaser wrote: ↑August 1st, 2021, 9:09 am

Good and evil are not viable concepts, philosophically. ).

Poor puppy. No one loves you.

Kidding.

I think I can change that silly thinking with an analogues proof of concept.

Tell us what you would have thought of my " Poor puppy. No one loves you." ----- if that is all I would have written.

Whatever word you choose, whatever it's antonym is, will be the proof of concept to our dualistic universe and how whatever word you use can be used as a synonym for evil.

The value, of course, is you showing others how you feel about things.

Regards
DL

Greatest I am wrote: ↑July 30th, 2021, 7:40 pm For a person to believe in any god, without proof of his goodness, would not be the best thinking or choice.
It would kill the ability to choose another who might be better.
Goodness is the foundation of godliness. Yahweh is demonstrably evil; yet has a large following who never dares discuss morals and resorts to inquisition and jihad type of insults to their brighter, non-supernatural god believing brethren.
If being a decent citizen was based on the desires of destroying the majority who are not like them, real-life would be hell; as many would not be able to stop the antics of the young who kill. The young know that we love war and too many oblige, even as the numbers are better than ever.
Yet we think those who pray for Armageddon are good decent people.
I say to hell with all who want to end my life just for thinking in a more moral way than my poor delusional brethren.
I say that because, as an idol worshiper, you have given up your free will.
You have damned yourself to hell, by doing such a harm to your mind, --- and running away from facing the morals that have you using inquisition and jihad tactics for mind control.
Bishop Spong foretold that the savior belief, because of all it's immoral tenets would be what kills Christianity as a whole.
He was wrong. It will kill all religions that respect that and that is most of them, be they have a supernatural god or not.
I invite Jesus believers to argue.
If there is goodness in you or your genocidal god, then come and explain why he always kills, when Jesus, alias Yahweh of The Terrible Trinity shame, come and learn the evil you adore and why your religion had to grow with murder, as your ancients as well as yourself, if you could, were to morally corrupt to convert with love.
Regards
DL

Uummm... there are no proofs in the metaphysical realm. That's why it's called: faith. In other words belief in the absence of proof.

Folks choose religions usually because of cultural habit, not analysis.

LuckyR wrote: ↑August 2nd, 2021, 2:36 am

Greatest I am wrote: ↑July 30th, 2021, 7:40 pm For a person to believe in any god, without proof of his goodness, would not be the best thinking or choice.
It would kill the ability to choose another who might be better.
Goodness is the foundation of godliness. Yahweh is demonstrably evil; yet has a large following who never dares discuss morals and resorts to inquisition and jihad type of insults to their brighter, non-supernatural god believing brethren.
If being a decent citizen was based on the desires of destroying the majority who are not like them, real-life would be hell; as many would not be able to stop the antics of the young who kill. The young know that we love war and too many oblige, even as the numbers are better than ever.
Yet we think those who pray for Armageddon are good decent people.
I say to hell with all who want to end my life just for thinking in a more moral way than my poor delusional brethren.
I say that because, as an idol worshiper, you have given up your free will.
You have damned yourself to hell, by doing such a harm to your mind, --- and running away from facing the morals that have you using inquisition and jihad tactics for mind control.
Bishop Spong foretold that the savior belief, because of all it's immoral tenets would be what kills Christianity as a whole.
He was wrong. It will kill all religions that respect that and that is most of them, be they have a supernatural god or not.
I invite Jesus believers to argue.
If there is goodness in you or your genocidal god, then come and explain why he always kills, when Jesus, alias Yahweh of The Terrible Trinity shame, come and learn the evil you adore and why your religion had to grow with murder, as your ancients as well as yourself, if you could, were to morally corrupt to convert with love.
Regards
DL

Uummm... there are no proofs in the metaphysical realm. That's why it's called: faith. In other words belief in the absence of proof.

Folks choose religions usually because of cultural habit, not analysis.

True.

Speaking of Christianity and Islam. Why are they just accepting an old fascist theology/ideology and a genocidal prick as a god?

Why is it taking modernization to shrink these vile religions.

Why is just better secular law not enough for these, --- far from modern thinking, --- goofs?

Especially in the really backwards thinking right wing U.S. circles.

Regards
DL

Greatest I am wrote: ↑August 2nd, 2021, 10:55 am Speaking of Christianity and Islam. Why are they just accepting an old fascist theology/ideology and a genocidal prick as a god?

Why is it taking modernization to shrink these vile religions.

Why? Perhaps it's because humans ask insulting and demeaning questions of their fellows, phrased so as to diminish or detract from their deeply- and fondly-held beliefs? Spite is ugly, and often provokes an angry or violent response. Intolerance like this often provokes a similar response from its victim(s).

This is just another believer-baiting contest, similar to the atheist-baiting seen elsewhere. Such things should stay in the school playground, where they belong. <unsubscribe>

Pattern-chaser wrote: ↑August 3rd, 2021, 6:21 am

Greatest I am wrote: ↑August 2nd, 2021, 10:55 am Speaking of Christianity and Islam. Why are they just accepting an old fascist theology/ideology and a genocidal prick as a god?

Why is it taking modernization to shrink these vile religions.

Why? Perhaps it's because humans ask insulting and demeaning questions of their fellows, phrased so as to diminish or detract from their deeply- and fondly-held beliefs? Spite is ugly, and often provokes an angry or violent response. Intolerance like this often provokes a similar response from its victim(s).

This is just another believer-baiting contest, similar to the atheist-baiting seen elsewhere. Such things should stay in the school playground, where they belong. <unsubscribe>

Along with misogyny and homophobia.

Adults tend to grow out of such discrimination without a just cause.

For evil to grow and all that, all good people need do is tolerate the intolerant inquisitors and jihadists.

Regards
DL