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Happy Pride Month to my LGBTQ friends!

I may be cis, super straight, and 100% toxically masculine, but I'm proud of your pride, and proud to count you as a friend.

I am an advocate for not only political freedom (a.k.a. nonviolence) but also spiritual freedom, meaning to fully be yourself, your true free-spirited unabashed self. In other words, I support not only the political freedom of physical nonviolence, but also a broader analogous emotional acceptance--a love in itself--in terms of the policy of live and let live.

I believe the beauty of freedom is the diversity it engenders. Freedom is beautifully creative, not just in humans but also in the dancing and creativity of the entire universe.

If you are different than me, I love you that much more for it, because as much as I love looking at this very very beautiful guy in the mirror, I like seeing the beautiful dancing novelty in the world now and again too.

Why is it only a month?

LuckyR wrote: ↑June 3rd, 2021, 2:27 am Why is it only a month?

I don't know why the creators of Pride Month made it only a month, as opposed to maybe a Pride Quarter or Pride Season.

LuckyR wrote: ↑June 3rd, 2021, 2:27 am Why is it only a month?

Mothers only get a day

I live in Brighton. It's like the UK's San Fransiscos.
Pride is a complete hoot, especially the parade.
The Website is a bit tame and anodyne but you get the picture.

https://www.brighton-pride.org

I shouldn't know your sexual preference unless im looking for a person to phuck and if im not looking to phuck then we shouldn't ever talk about your sex preference


But for some reason the situation the world seems to be in at the moment which is a perspective that confused or sexually traumatised people that have developed a neurosis demand that the world openly expresses some form of public acceptance for there condition is just ridiculous.


I don't think it's a "sin" i think it's a defect because the person cannot reproduce so long as there "preference" is available and in the animal kingdom if there is a defect that's detrimental to the species it will typically have trouble reproducing so to not kill out the entire species . so if you like the same sex or not it didn't matter keep it to your self .

MAYA EL wrote: ↑June 13th, 2021, 12:40 am I shouldn't know your sexual preference unless im looking for a person to phuck and if im not looking to phuck then we shouldn't ever talk about your sex preference


But for some reason the situation the world seems to be in at the moment which is a perspective that confused or sexually traumatised people that have developed a neurosis demand that the world openly expresses some form of public acceptance for there condition is just ridiculous.


I don't think it's a "sin" i think it's a defect because the person cannot reproduce so long as there "preference" is available and in the animal kingdom if there is a defect that's detrimental to the species it will typically have trouble reproducing so to not kill out the entire species . so if you like the same sex or not it didn't matter keep it to your self .

Ah yes, don't ask, don't tell. That was once the plan.

MAYA EL wrote:I shouldn't know your sexual preference unless im looking for a person to phuck and if im not looking to phuck then we shouldn't ever talk about your sex preference

Would you apply this rule to all preferences? Should I refrain from discussing my food preferences with others? In my experience, there are certain subjects that most people find naturally interesting and so like to discuss them, just for the shared enjoyment of discussion and learning about what makes other people tick. Among them are food and sex. What's wrong with that?

Steve3007 wrote: ↑June 15th, 2021, 4:50 am

MAYA EL wrote:I shouldn't know your sexual preference unless im looking for a person to phuck and if im not looking to phuck then we shouldn't ever talk about your sex preference

Would you apply this rule to all preferences? Should I refrain from discussing my food preferences with others? In my experience, there are certain subjects that most people find naturally interesting and so like to discuss them, just for the shared enjoyment of discussion and learning about what makes other people tick. Among them are food and sex. What's wrong with that?

the "rule" a person has for a specific something
Cannot be applied to everything else in life and you know that or at least you should know that.

MAYA EL wrote:the "rule" a person has for a specific something
Cannot be applied to everything else in life and you know that or at least you should know that.

OK. So you're not interested in trying to understand anything about other people, from their own perspective? In my view, sexuality is one, but obviously not all, of the things that make a person what they are. And talking to people is the best way to get to know them. I think it's a pity that the old "don't ever talk about it and hope that makes it go away" attitude still exists in the 21st Century in societies where it doesn't need to exist. You don't need to look far to see how damaging that attitude has been in the past.

But obviously you have a right to do as you please.

Is this through all of the northern hemisphere? In Oz we have Mardi Gras late Feb. These days I avoid crowds like the plague, so it's been a long time since I've seen a parade.

It's a shame that there has to be a "pride month", given that the way one is born is no cause for pride, it just is. However, I understand that showing pride is a response to the constant put-downs that queer people receive, often from childhood and continuing to some extent throughout life. So "pride" in context is to resist the demand of haters to detest oneself, simply for the way one happens to be configured.

Steve3007 wrote: ↑June 16th, 2021, 4:34 am

MAYA EL wrote:the "rule" a person has for a specific something
Cannot be applied to everything else in life and you know that or at least you should know that.

OK. So you're not interested in trying to understand anything about other people, from their own perspective? In my view, sexuality is one, but obviously not all, of the things that make a person what they are. And talking to people is the best way to get to know them. I think it's a pity that the old "don't ever talk about it and hope that makes it go away" attitude still exists in the 21st Century in societies where it doesn't need to exist. You don't need to look far to see how damaging that attitude has been in the past.

But obviously you have a right to do as you please.

How on earth did you come up with that conclusion based off of what i have said? Clearly you have a predetermined negative opinion that you generically project on anyone that even slightly disagrees with gay/trans groups

And i don't need to express my acceptance for a persons sexual preference in order to get to know them

And you seem to think that not talking about a guy liking another man's penis shoved up his ass is some kind of negative thing?

The bedroom is a private sacred place and that has been forgotten in today's society where by the time your 25 you have had sex with over 100 different people and obviously when you've dipped you. WIC in that many different places no duh it feels like something that everyone can talk about because it's not intimate special or unique .

Sy Borg wrote:Is this through all of the northern hemisphere? In Oz we have Mardi Gras late Feb. These days I avoid crowds like the plague, so it's been a long time since I've seen a parade.

I think everyone who has Mardi Gras has it on a Tuesday in February. Don't they have a big Pride festival in Sydney? I'm sure that's been discussed here before at some time.

It's a shame that there has to be a "pride month", given that the way one is born is no cause for pride, it just is.

That's always the curious thing about these kinds of celebrations. Mother's Day was mentioned earlier in the topic. It's funny (because it's not true) to think that showing pride in the diversity of human sexuality at a particular time implies shame at other times, or that we hate out mothers for 364 days of the year.

MAYA EL wrote:How on earth did you come up with that conclusion based off of what i have said?

Because you expressed the opinion that one "shouldn't" know the sexual preference of another person unless you want to "phuck" them, as you put it. Hasn't it occurred to you that it's simply an interesting subject for most people?

And i don't need to express my acceptance for a persons sexual preference in order to get to know them

No, you don't need to express any preferences for anything. I didn't say you did. I just said that talking to somebody is a good way to get to know them and that sexuality is an important part, but not the only part, of what we are. Do you disagree?

And you seem to think that not talking about a guy liking another man's penis shoved up his ass is some kind of negative thing?

Talking about sexuality doesn't have to be about that. Haven't you ever had a conversation with friends or family about any aspect of sex?

The bedroom is a private sacred place and that has been forgotten in today's society where by the time your 25 you have had sex with over 100 different people and obviously when you've dipped you. WIC in that many different places no duh it feels like something that everyone can talk about because it's not intimate special or unique .

The trouble is, you make these wild general assumptions about what other people - "today's society" - are doing. So you're clearly interested, but don't want to actually ask them. It seems you'd rather just speculate and fume about what you imagine this person called "today's society" to be doing. That, in my opinion, is not healthy.

Fun conversations about sex don't stop it from being a private and special thing. My partner, for example, when meeting for a glass of wine and a chat with her friends rarely has a conversation in which sex, in one way or another, doesn't come up. It's healthy and normal to talk about things that you're interested in and which are an important part of life. It's an excellent way to work through all of the anxieties around sex with people you trust. It's unhealthy to dictate that they "shouldn't" discuss them and then fume about the debauched lives you imagine other people to live. That's my view. As I said, you're entitled to yours.

Me and my partner are both in our 50's. Her friends are mostly around the same age. So naturally a lot of their conversations about sex are about how they're not getting much! Or any! Nothing wrong with that. One of the biggest causes of anxiety is ignorance about how other people live their lives, largely because the gap in knowledge tends to be filled by the misleading speculations and outright falsehoods of the media. And if you believe the media you'll generally tend to believe that everyone is having sex the whole time. News flash: They're not.

Finding out, via discussion, that you're not some kind of freak or aberration goes a long way to calming people's anxieties. That goes for all aspects of sex, whether it's finding out that you're not the first gay person who ever lived, finding out that you're not the only couple who's sex life has declined with age, or finding out one of the other thing about sex which should be obvious but which, thanks to the skewed views of it in the public conversation, aren't.

Humans relate via empathy, and the best way to empathise is to communicate. It's not rocket science.