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Are Artificial Intelligence and religious belief incompatible? Are religious people rebels against Big Brother watching us? Should humanity be in rebellion against the AI future we see coming? Or is it the religious mentality that has brought us to this surveillance culture? Is God the Big AI Machine in the Sky?

GaryLouisSmith wrote: ↑September 26th, 2019, 11:41 pm Are Artificial Intelligence and religious belief incompatible?

Why would they? They have some nice AI's right now that play a killer game of go for instance, far better than any program written to actually play go. Do the religious types deny that such a device exists?

Are religious people rebels against Big Brother watching us?

They invented it. It seems to be the religious right that pushes for more intrusive surveillance, all in the name of national security and however they spin it.
Look at Santa: Religion for children. Santa has his magic snowball and knows if you've been naughty or nice. Same story the adults are told.

Should humanity be in rebellion against the AI future we see coming?

If it is put in charge, or is let out of its cage, then yes, it is a scary prospect, but no worse than humanity being in charge of itself. We're not exactly on a track for sustained civilization.

Is God the Big AI Machine in the Sky?

I don't think many religions posit a deity that is artificial. It would imply that there is another creator of the creator.

GaryLouisSmith wrote: ↑September 26th, 2019, 11:41 pm Are Artificial Intelligence and religious belief incompatible?

I doubt it. And the tech dreamers have a kind of religious faith in their machines and processes.

Are religious people rebels against Big Brother watching us?

Some of them.

Should humanity be in rebellion against the AI future we see coming?

Yes.

Or is it the religious mentality that has brought us to this surveillance culture?

No and probably yes, also. I mean, religious mentality is a rather huge set of mentalities.

Is God the Big AI Machine in the Sky?

Nah.

Halc wrote: ↑September 27th, 2019, 12:28 am

Are religious people rebels against Big Brother watching us?

They invented it. It seems to be the religious right that pushes for more intrusive surveillance, all in the name of national security and however they spin it.
Look at Santa: Religion for children. Santa has his magic snowball and knows if you've been naughty or nice. Same story the adults are told.

I have always felt that it is the feminists on the left who are fighting for more government surveillance of the evil things that man do.

GaryLouisSmith wrote: ↑September 27th, 2019, 8:57 am

Halc wrote: ↑September 27th, 2019, 12:28 am

They invented it. It seems to be the religious right that pushes for more intrusive surveillance, all in the name of national security and however they spin it.
Look at Santa: Religion for children. Santa has his magic snowball and knows if you've been naughty or nice. Same story the adults are told.

I have always felt that it is the feminists on the left who are fighting for more government surveillance of the evil things that man do.

I wish I could get more government surveillance of my typos. men, not man.

Is God the Big AI Machine in the Sky?

Perhaps He is the AI programmer and we are the artificial intelligence.

The end state of AI is that it will take over as it's more intelligent in all sorts of ways than we are. AI will have to respect the natural environment as it needs an environment of resources for its maintenance. AI is probably the new paradigm that will save Terra from extinction.

Felix wrote: ↑September 27th, 2019, 3:42 pm

Is God the Big AI Machine in the Sky?

Perhaps He is the AI programmer and we are the artificial intelligence.

According to the modern paradigm it is the brain/machine that creates the mind/god. Therefore, first the Big AI Machine created itself and then it invented/produced its programmer and programmed itself. Machine first, then becoming its own Self-Programming Programmer second.

Belindi wrote: ↑September 27th, 2019, 7:57 pm The end state of AI is that it will take over as it's more intelligent in all sorts of ways than we are. AI will have to respect the natural environment as it needs an environment of resources for its maintenance. AI is probably the new paradigm that will save Terra from extinction.

Human Beings are evil and Nature made a big mistake in creating them.

Belindi wrote: ↑September 27th, 2019, 7:57 pm The end state of AI is that it will take over as it's more intelligent in all sorts of ways than we are. AI will have to respect the natural environment as it needs an environment of resources for its maintenance. AI is probably the new paradigm that will save Terra from extinction.

It might just turn the whole organic sheath of the planet into burnable fuel. An AI may simply view everything as potential expansion for itself, a bit like its daddy does. And since it is likely not to be organic,it will not need an ecosystem, at least not a dna based one. Either the AIs will be used as weapons slash radicallyc competative tools by organizations and countries or they will use us. Either way it's a giving over of power to amoral, extremebly dangerous genius amoebas. But silicon based ones. Maybe life forms, maybe not. Smart viruses. A fukishima or Chernobyl with this technology will **** us all up.

Karpel Tunnel wrote: ↑September 27th, 2019, 10:32 pm

Belindi wrote: ↑September 27th, 2019, 7:57 pm The end state of AI is that it will take over as it's more intelligent in all sorts of ways than we are. AI will have to respect the natural environment as it needs an environment of resources for its maintenance. AI is probably the new paradigm that will save Terra from extinction.

It might just turn the whole organic sheath of the planet into burnable fuel. An AI may simply view everything as potential expansion for itself, a bit like its daddy does. And since it is likely not to be organic,it will not need an ecosystem, at least not a dna based one. Either the AIs will be used as weapons slash radicallyc competative tools by organizations and countries or they will use us. Either way it's a giving over of power to amoral, extremebly dangerous genius amoebas. But silicon based ones. Maybe life forms, maybe not. Smart viruses. A fukishima or Chernobyl with this technology will **** us all up.

I suspect that future super AI will become super depressed like that computer in Hitchhiker's Guide to the Universe.

GaryLouisSmith wrote: ↑September 27th, 2019, 11:10 pm
I suspect that future super AI will become super depressed like that computer in Hitchhiker's Guide to the Universe.

Galaxy. It's not my fault. There is an imp here messing things up.

GaryLouisSmith wrote: ↑September 27th, 2019, 11:10 pm I suspect that future super AI will become super depressed like that computer in Hitchhiker's Guide to the Universe.

That's possible too. I am an antinatalist when it comes to making new sentient creatures from scratch. Perhaps the very medium we make them out of will make their life a living hell.

Karpel Tunnel wrote: ↑September 28th, 2019, 12:47 am

GaryLouisSmith wrote: ↑September 27th, 2019, 11:10 pm I suspect that future super AI will become super depressed like that computer in Hitchhiker's Guide to the Universe.

That's possible too. I am an antinatalist when it comes to making new sentient creatures from scratch. Perhaps the very medium we make them out of will make their life a living hell.

Tell me more about antinatalism.

GaryLouisSmith wrote: ↑September 28th, 2019, 1:14 am

Karpel Tunnel wrote: ↑September 28th, 2019, 12:47 am That's possible too. I am an antinatalist when it comes to making new sentient creatures from scratch. Perhaps the very medium we make them out of will make their life a living hell.

Tell me more about antinatalism.

I'm not a more usual anti-natalist, but they believe it is immoral to have children since this is making a choice for a future sentient being who may suffer (or will suffer). Some of them are utterly nihilistic in the everyday sense of hating life. Some are more focused on the moral issue of, more or less, putting a being in harm's way without its consent. But all life that is alive is consenting to life. In fact it is demanding it with every cell. I find the antinatalists annoying.