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Surabaya bombings: ISIS family attacks churches, bomb explodes outside police station
Indonesian police chief Tito Karnavian said the family of six, who launched near-simultaneous attacks on three Surabaya churches, were tied to Jamaah Ansharut Daulah, an umbrella organization of Indonesian militant groups proscribed by the US State Department, and Jamaah Ansharut Tauhid.
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/w ... 604f9b8b69

President Joko Widodo, who rushed to the city yesterday, described the attacks as “truly savage and beyond tolerable” and said he had “no words to express the sorrow we feel for the loss of lives”.
“This is a crime against humanity and has nothing to do with religion. We must unite to fight against terrorism.”

Spectrum wrote: ↑May 14th, 2018, 12:07 am Re the recent terror attacks by a Family of Six in Surabaya, Indonesia;

Surabaya bombings: ISIS family attacks churches, bomb explodes outside police station
Indonesian police chief Tito Karnavian said the family of six, who launched near-simultaneous attacks on three Surabaya churches, were tied to Jamaah Ansharut Daulah, an umbrella organization of Indonesian militant groups proscribed by the US State Department, and Jamaah Ansharut Tauhid.
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/w ... 604f9b8b69

Immediately it is followed by the usual instant response, i.e. has nothing to do with religion

President Joko Widodo, who rushed to the city yesterday, described the attacks as “truly savage and beyond tolerable” and said he had “no words to express the sorrow we feel for the loss of lives”.
“This is a crime against humanity and has nothing to do with religion. We must unite to fight against terrorism.”

The Indonesian President as with the majority of World leaders and authorities are very ignorant and misleading the general public by not getting to the proximate root cause of such terror.

That a family of Six with children could end up doing such terror should give them a clue that the root cause of such acts is most likely to be from the religion itself rather than the usual blaming on the secondary causes, re social, poverty, politics, etc.

Point is as long as the authorities do not direct their attention to the religion of Islam and its inherent evil laden elements, there will always be Islamic based terrors as had been going on since the last 1,400 years.

Comments?

ThomasHobbes wrote: ↑May 14th, 2018, 3:47 pm Take all the activities of ISIS, Taliban, and Boko Haram together the world over and they are statistically insignificant to the road deaths in the UK alone.

What we have here is a media frenzy that is tantamount to conspiring with fundamentalism and the forces that have much to gain by promoting a 'war on terror'. Such media coverage simple gives terrorism what it thrives on.

• 2016 - 1792
  2015 - 1732
  2014 - 1775

• 2016 - 25,621
  2015 - 29,424
  2014 - 32,763

The statistic shows the number of deaths due to terrorism worldwide between 2006 and 2016.
25,621 people were killed by terrorists in 2016.
The number of terrorist attacks worldwide declined between 2006 and 2016. In 2006, about 14,371 terrorist attacks were counted, while in 2016, 11,072 terrorist attacks were counted.
Terrorism is often defined as unlawful violence or systematic use of terror against civilians or politicians for ideological or political reasons, with the intention to create fear. Terrorism is practiced by nationalistic groups, religious groups, revolutionaries and ruling governments.

The fear of terrorism is still instilled in many people's minds. According to Gallup’s survey, which was conducted among adults in the United States in 2013, 34 percent of the participants stated that they were very worried about the possibility of future terrorist attacks. Only 10 percent of the participants said that they were not at all worried.

LuckyR wrote: ↑May 14th, 2018, 7:56 pm
Wow, good points. Please explain how the direction of "their attention to the religion of Islam " works, exactly.

Of course, I know you are especially watchful against increasing ISIS's recruitment success.

Spectrum wrote: ↑May 14th, 2018, 11:14 pm

LuckyR wrote: ↑May 14th, 2018, 7:56 pm
Wow, good points. Please explain how the direction of "their attention to the religion of Islam " works, exactly.

Of course, I know you are especially watchful against increasing ISIS's recruitment success.

The right direction is as simple as knowing and understanding the plain truth of the ethos of Islam by reading the Quran -core of Islam thoroughly.
It is undeniable Islam is a useful religion to many but humanity must recognize the core of Islam has very malignant evil laden elements that triggers a natural unavoidable % of evil prone believers to commit evil acts.
So the majority and the authorities must not lie with that 'it has nothing to do with religion.'

Here is one good move, i.e.
Sandra Solomon [an ex-Muslim] and Her Campaign to have the Quran designated [justified factually] as hate literature internationally and be recognized within the United Nation
http://voiceofsandrasolomon.com/

LuckyR wrote: ↑May 14th, 2018, 11:41 pm Perhaps I gave you too much credit. Uummm... how much video sophistication would it take to spin a UN designation of the Quran as hate literature as a war on Islam by the west? This would be the best recruitment tool ever for ISIS.

Conclusion: the Sira (Mohammed’s biography) contains a greater percentage of Jew hatred than Mein Kampf.
https://www.politicalislam.com/the-good ... st-denial/

Spectrum wrote: ↑May 15th, 2018, 1:12 am

LuckyR wrote: ↑May 14th, 2018, 11:41 pm Perhaps I gave you too much credit. Uummm... how much video sophistication would it take to spin a UN designation of the Quran as hate literature as a war on Islam by the west? This would be the best recruitment tool ever for ISIS.

I have never bothered about credits, praise, etc., but more concern with truths.
As stated, that video is merely a clue and indication and the approach need to be refined.
Whatever, we are only speaking of the truth and nothing else!

Here is one clue based on research findings;

Conclusion: the Sira (Mohammed’s biography) contains a greater percentage of Jew hatred than Mein Kampf.
https://www.politicalislam.com/the-good ... st-denial/

Here is the stats analysis;
http://cspipublishing.com/statistical/T ... _Text.html

There should more work to be done to expose the truth of the Quran, note 'truth' not lies as what the authorities and apologists are ignorant and lying on at present.

Spectrum wrote: ↑May 14th, 2018, 10:58 pm

ThomasHobbes wrote: ↑May 14th, 2018, 3:47 pm Take all the activities of ISIS, Taliban, and Boko Haram together the world over and they are statistically insignificant to the road deaths in the UK alone.

What we have here is a media frenzy that is tantamount to conspiring with fundamentalism and the forces that have much to gain by promoting a 'war on terror'. Such media coverage simple gives terrorism what it thrives on.

Are you sure?
You do not understand the significance between the term 'terror' in terrorism and non-terror based deaths.
It appear you are not speaking from known facts.
Note the following statistics;

The road death stats in UK are as follows;
Reported Road Casualties Great Britain
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reported_ ... at_Britain

• 2016 - 1792
  2015 - 1732
  2014 - 1775

Number of casualties due to terrorism worldwide between 2006 and 2016
https://www.statista.com/statistics/202 ... worldwide/

• 2016 - 25,621
  2015 - 29,424
  2014 - 32,763

LuckyR wrote: ↑May 15th, 2018, 2:31 am

Spectrum wrote: ↑May 15th, 2018, 1:12 am "I" have never bothered about credits, praise, etc., but more concern with truths.
As stated, that video is merely a clue and indication and the approach need to be refined.
Whatever, we are only speaking of the truth and nothing else!

Here is one clue based on research findings;


Here is the stats analysis;
http://cspipublishing.com/statistical/T ... _Text.html

There should more work to be done ["I" have done that] to expose the truth of the Quran, note 'truth' not lies as what the authorities and apologists are ignorant and lying on at present.

The "truth" is less important to the counterterrorism folks than effectiveness. I personally want them to be maximally effective.

ThomasHobbes wrote: ↑May 15th, 2018, 5:57 am I said " ISIS, Taliban, and Boko Haram", these are not responsible for "worldwide" terrorism.
What counts as a terrorist casualty?
However I take your point, I'd not realised how much death on the road has dropped in the 21stC.
Also those figures would probably include major conflicts, not just domestic terrorism.

But let's go with the UK. Annual numbers have NEVER exceeded 400 since 1970, and numbers now are at the lowest for that period.
With the exception of 52 deaths in 2005, there have only been a handful of deaths, since the IRA shut up shop.

Although hyperbolic, the figures do not diminish the force of my question. Why all the fuss?

Spectrum wrote: ↑May 15th, 2018, 6:46 am Do you ever wonder why your empathy and compassion is not stimulated at all?
Note Mirror Neurons in human brains.

One planned and premeditated murder is one too many.

Spectrum wrote: ↑May 15th, 2018, 6:46 am Where is your moral compass?
Do you ever wonder why your empathy and compassion is not stimulated at all?
Note Mirror Neurons in human brains.

One planned and premeditated murder is one too many.
Worst this Islamic based murder[s] is based on a lie, i.e. God exists as real.

Btw, humanity must be concerned for all types of ad evil but only religious based evil acts are discussed here as confined by this particular section [religion] of the forum.