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LuckyR wrote: ↑June 24th, 2023, 1:49 am

Joshua10 wrote: Can you definitively prove there is no God though? You definitely know you can’t prove it so why make such foolish statements when you could be wrong? What you mean is that you HOPE there is no God.

Oh, you so don't understand me. I have always said that gods exist, since they do. Though gods exist inter-subjectively, not objectively. That is to say gods exist in the minds of their followers, just as corporations, countries and money do. Everyone agrees Germany exists, gods exist the same way.

Nicely put, Lucky. If we want to look for our Creator, we need only look up at the sky during a cloudless day. It comprises 99.8% of the mass of its system and beams sustaining energy down to us. It is the creator and maintainer of the Earth, whose surface grew a thin film of biology about four billion years ago, and has been in a state of alternating gentrification ever since.

The constant change is inconvenient to Earth's denizens. Conditions on the planet's surface can be so brutal and unforgiving that, if people believed themselves to be the most important beings in reality, they might figure that their creator had stuffed up.

Why is is life so harsh? Why must life only persist through the death or exploitation of other entities? Many observers claim that Earth must be Hell, but how would they explain the many happy people - from lucky billionaires to philosophical poor people? What about pampered dogs and cats? Are they living in Hell?

If reality is not all about humans and their emotions, however, humanity is simply one system within a Russian doll configuration of systems and subsystems. The conscious parts of these systems manage as best they can. Sometimes they need to invent myths about reality to cope.

LuckyR wrote: ↑June 24th, 2023, 12:27 pm

Joshua10 wrote: ↑June 24th, 2023, 3:16 am

LuckyR wrote: ↑June 24th, 2023, 1:49 am

Joshua10 wrote: Can you definitively prove there is no God though? You definitely know you can’t prove it so why make such foolish statements when you could be wrong? What you mean is that you HOPE there is no God.

Oh, you so don't understand me. I have always said that gods exist, since they do. Though gods exist inter-subjectively, not objectively. That is to say gods exist in the minds of their followers, just as corporations, countries and money do. Everyone agrees Germany exists, gods exist the same way.

So you HOPE that God doesn’t exist outside of peoples minds then…….however, you certainly cannot definitively prove it.

You have no choice but to admit this.

Otherwise, definitively prove it.

You're missing the point. It has nothing to do with what I hope or don't hope for. It's not about me (or you). Hoping won't change a metaphysical entity into a physical one. It's baked into the definition of what we're discussing.

Not true.You make statements you cannot definitively prove.You have an opinion.Prove your opinion.

The thing is,you cannot prove it and you definitely know it.

It has everything to do with hope therefore.

If you don’t understand hope then you don’t understand philosophy because the universe is perfectly balanced.

Sy Borg wrote: ↑June 24th, 2023, 6:05 pm

LuckyR wrote: ↑June 24th, 2023, 1:49 am

Joshua10 wrote: Can you definitively prove there is no God though? You definitely know you can’t prove it so why make such foolish statements when you could be wrong? What you mean is that you HOPE there is no God.

Oh, you so don't understand me. I have always said that gods exist, since they do. Though gods exist inter-subjectively, not objectively. That is to say gods exist in the minds of their followers, just as corporations, countries and money do. Everyone agrees Germany exists, gods exist the same way.

Nicely put, Lucky. If we want to look for our Creator, we need only look up at the sky during a cloudless day. It comprises 99.8% of the mass of its system and beams sustaining energy down to us. It is the creator and maintainer of the Earth, whose surface grew a thin film of biology about four billion years ago, and has been in a state of alternating gentrification ever since.

The constant change is inconvenient to Earth's denizens. Conditions on the planet's surface can be so brutal and unforgiving that, if people believed themselves to be the most important beings in reality, they might figure that their creator had stuffed up.

Why is is life so harsh? Why must life only persist through the death or exploitation of other entities? Many observers claim that Earth must be Hell, but how would they explain the many happy people - from lucky billionaires to philosophical poor people? What about pampered dogs and cats? Are they living in Hell?

If reality is not all about humans and their emotions, however, humanity is simply one system within a Russian doll configuration of systems and subsystems. The conscious parts of these systems manage as best they can. Sometimes they need to invent myths about reality to cope.

I disagree,we are not consciousness, therefore, the conscious parts of these systems don’t manage their best at all.

You can either associate yourself with the 2 balanced vibrating electromagnetic forces or you can associate yourself with the entity which is affected by both these 2 forces.

Joshua10 wrote: ↑June 25th, 2023, 12:57 am

Sy Borg wrote: ↑June 24th, 2023, 6:05 pm

LuckyR wrote: ↑June 24th, 2023, 1:49 am

Joshua10 wrote: Can you definitively prove there is no God though? You definitely know you can’t prove it so why make such foolish statements when you could be wrong? What you mean is that you HOPE there is no God.

Oh, you so don't understand me. I have always said that gods exist, since they do. Though gods exist inter-subjectively, not objectively. That is to say gods exist in the minds of their followers, just as corporations, countries and money do. Everyone agrees Germany exists, gods exist the same way.

Nicely put, Lucky. If we want to look for our Creator, we need only look up at the sky during a cloudless day. It comprises 99.8% of the mass of its system and beams sustaining energy down to us. It is the creator and maintainer of the Earth, whose surface grew a thin film of biology about four billion years ago, and has been in a state of alternating gentrification ever since.

The constant change is inconvenient to Earth's denizens. Conditions on the planet's surface can be so brutal and unforgiving that, if people believed themselves to be the most important beings in reality, they might figure that their creator had stuffed up.

Why is is life so harsh? Why must life only persist through the death or exploitation of other entities? Many observers claim that Earth must be Hell, but how would they explain the many happy people - from lucky billionaires to philosophical poor people? What about pampered dogs and cats? Are they living in Hell?

If reality is not all about humans and their emotions, however, humanity is simply one system within a Russian doll configuration of systems and subsystems. The conscious parts of these systems manage as best they can. Sometimes they need to invent myths about reality to cope.

I disagree,we are not consciousness, therefore, the conscious parts of these systems don’t manage their best at all.

You can either associate yourself with the 2 balanced vibrating electromagnetic forces or you can associate yourself with the entity which is affected by both these 2 forces.

Logically, if we are not conscious as you claim, then you are not conscious. If you are a non-conscious entity, why should I bother with your claims? Or any claims? Let's use the language as it's understood and not try to redefine known terms.

Since you are so fond of electromagnetism, look into the sky for it (not too long, though). There's the Sun, your creator, blasting out more EM waves than you can imagine. Or look downwards at the powerful dynamo beneath your feet, whose EM field protects us from the full force of the Sun's EM waves.

Sy Borg wrote: ↑June 25th, 2023, 7:38 am

Joshua10 wrote: ↑June 25th, 2023, 12:57 am

Sy Borg wrote: ↑June 24th, 2023, 6:05 pm

LuckyR wrote: ↑June 24th, 2023, 1:49 am

Oh, you so don't understand me. I have always said that gods exist, since they do. Though gods exist inter-subjectively, not objectively. That is to say gods exist in the minds of their followers, just as corporations, countries and money do. Everyone agrees Germany exists, gods exist the same way.

Nicely put, Lucky. If we want to look for our Creator, we need only look up at the sky during a cloudless day. It comprises 99.8% of the mass of its system and beams sustaining energy down to us. It is the creator and maintainer of the Earth, whose surface grew a thin film of biology about four billion years ago, and has been in a state of alternating gentrification ever since.

The constant change is inconvenient to Earth's denizens. Conditions on the planet's surface can be so brutal and unforgiving that, if people believed themselves to be the most important beings in reality, they might figure that their creator had stuffed up.

Why is is life so harsh? Why must life only persist through the death or exploitation of other entities? Many observers claim that Earth must be Hell, but how would they explain the many happy people - from lucky billionaires to philosophical poor people? What about pampered dogs and cats? Are they living in Hell?

If reality is not all about humans and their emotions, however, humanity is simply one system within a Russian doll configuration of systems and subsystems. The conscious parts of these systems manage as best they can. Sometimes they need to invent myths about reality to cope.

I disagree,we are not consciousness, therefore, the conscious parts of these systems don’t manage their best at all.

You can either associate yourself with the 2 balanced vibrating electromagnetic forces or you can associate yourself with the entity which is affected by both these 2 forces.

Logically, if we are not conscious as you claim, then you are not conscious. If you are a non-conscious entity, why should I bother with your claims? Or any claims? Let's use the language as it's understood and not try to redefine known terms.

Since you are so fond of electromagnetism, look into the sky for it (not too long, though). There's the Sun, your creator, blasting out more EM waves than you can imagine. Or look downwards at the powerful dynamo beneath your feet, whose EM field protects us from the full force of the Sun's EM waves.

I am a not consciousness,I am a PRESENCE, which is aware of the 2 electromagnetic forces within my brain which do not cancel out as science claims but vibratory balance by the formula +/-=+/- .It is these interacting push/pull forces that affect the consciousness state that you and I experience.

I know about the dynamo beneath my feet and the all the other dynamo’s throughout the cosmos at both the macro and micro levels all of which interact to produce an overall vibratory balance throughout the universe.

Teratoma

Joshua10 wrote: ↑June 25th, 2023, 12:32 am

LuckyR wrote: ↑June 24th, 2023, 12:27 pm

Joshua10 wrote: ↑June 24th, 2023, 3:16 am

LuckyR wrote: ↑June 24th, 2023, 1:49 am

Oh, you so don't understand me. I have always said that gods exist, since they do. Though gods exist inter-subjectively, not objectively. That is to say gods exist in the minds of their followers, just as corporations, countries and money do. Everyone agrees Germany exists, gods exist the same way.

So you HOPE that God doesn’t exist outside of peoples minds then…….however, you certainly cannot definitively prove it.

You have no choice but to admit this.

Otherwise, definitively prove it.

You're missing the point. It has nothing to do with what I hope or don't hope for. It's not about me (or you). Hoping won't change a metaphysical entity into a physical one. It's baked into the definition of what we're discussing.

Not true.You make statements you cannot definitively prove.You have an opinion.Prove your opinion.

The thing is,you cannot prove it and you definitely know it.

It has everything to do with hope therefore.

If you don’t understand hope then you don’t understand philosophy because the universe is perfectly balanced.

Oh really? True or false: is a metaphysical entity physical or metaphysical?

It appears that a God may have a completely different philosophy and science to that of modern day science’s imperfect theories which are presently falling apart before our eyes.

So,if a God has a perfect philosophy and science, then he may not have done any wrong.

Sculptor1 wrote: ↑June 25th, 2023, 9:13 amTeratoma

Have you had a diagnosis?

Joshua10 wrote: ↑June 25th, 2023, 8:54 am

Sy Borg wrote: ↑June 25th, 2023, 7:38 am

Joshua10 wrote: ↑June 25th, 2023, 12:57 am

Sy Borg wrote: ↑June 24th, 2023, 6:05 pm

Nicely put, Lucky. If we want to look for our Creator, we need only look up at the sky during a cloudless day. It comprises 99.8% of the mass of its system and beams sustaining energy down to us. It is the creator and maintainer of the Earth, whose surface grew a thin film of biology about four billion years ago, and has been in a state of alternating gentrification ever since.

The constant change is inconvenient to Earth's denizens. Conditions on the planet's surface can be so brutal and unforgiving that, if people believed themselves to be the most important beings in reality, they might figure that their creator had stuffed up.

Why is is life so harsh? Why must life only persist through the death or exploitation of other entities? Many observers claim that Earth must be Hell, but how would they explain the many happy people - from lucky billionaires to philosophical poor people? What about pampered dogs and cats? Are they living in Hell?

If reality is not all about humans and their emotions, however, humanity is simply one system within a Russian doll configuration of systems and subsystems. The conscious parts of these systems manage as best they can. Sometimes they need to invent myths about reality to cope.

I disagree,we are not consciousness, therefore, the conscious parts of these systems don’t manage their best at all.

You can either associate yourself with the 2 balanced vibrating electromagnetic forces or you can associate yourself with the entity which is affected by both these 2 forces.

Logically, if we are not conscious as you claim, then you are not conscious. If you are a non-conscious entity, why should I bother with your claims? Or any claims? Let's use the language as it's understood and not try to redefine known terms.

Since you are so fond of electromagnetism, look into the sky for it (not too long, though). There's the Sun, your creator, blasting out more EM waves than you can imagine. Or look downwards at the powerful dynamo beneath your feet, whose EM field protects us from the full force of the Sun's EM waves.

I am a not consciousness,I am a PRESENCE, which is aware of the 2 electromagnetic forces within my brain which do not cancel out as science claims but vibratory balance by the formula +/-=+/- .It is these interacting push/pull forces that affect the consciousness state that you and I experience.

I know about the dynamo beneath my feet and the all the other dynamo’s throughout the cosmos at both the macro and micro levels all of which interact to produce an overall vibratory balance throughout the universe.

You are a conscious piece of the planet. I am not sure what is cancelling out or not cancelling out in your brain but I do know that you never seem to tire of repeating the same thing over and over ... "electromagnetic forces" ... "+/-=+/-". But there's no logic or explanation behind it, just bald and arcane assertions that are not only apparently incoherent but completely ignore most current knowledge.

Still, it's fun to think of a deity who is actually just a magnet, as per your claims. The universe is magnets all the way down haha

Joshua10 wrote: ↑June 25th, 2023, 3:13 pm It appears that a God may have a completely different philosophy and science to that of modern day science’s imperfect theories which are presently falling apart before our eyes.

So,if a God has a perfect philosophy and science, then he may not have done any wrong.

Why would you assume to know a deity's philosophy? Because some power hungry manipulators seemingly said so 2,000 years ago? Who says that God is a "he". Why would God be a "he" and not an "it"? It's not as though God gets horny and wants to mate with female deities.

God exists in the minds of believers, so any "wrongness" lies within those believers - and who decides what's wrong anyway?

Sy Borg wrote: ↑June 25th, 2023, 5:20 pm

Joshua10 wrote: ↑June 25th, 2023, 8:54 am

Sy Borg wrote: ↑June 25th, 2023, 7:38 am

Joshua10 wrote: ↑June 25th, 2023, 12:57 am

I disagree,we are not consciousness, therefore, the conscious parts of these systems don’t manage their best at all.

You can either associate yourself with the 2 balanced vibrating electromagnetic forces or you can associate yourself with the entity which is affected by both these 2 forces.

Logically, if we are not conscious as you claim, then you are not conscious. If you are a non-conscious entity, why should I bother with your claims? Or any claims? Let's use the language as it's understood and not try to redefine known terms.

Since you are so fond of electromagnetism, look into the sky for it (not too long, though). There's the Sun, your creator, blasting out more EM waves than you can imagine. Or look downwards at the powerful dynamo beneath your feet, whose EM field protects us from the full force of the Sun's EM waves.

I am a not consciousness,I am a PRESENCE, which is aware of the 2 electromagnetic forces within my brain which do not cancel out as science claims but vibratory balance by the formula +/-=+/- .It is these interacting push/pull forces that affect the consciousness state that you and I experience.

I know about the dynamo beneath my feet and the all the other dynamo’s throughout the cosmos at both the macro and micro levels all of which interact to produce an overall vibratory balance throughout the universe.

You are a conscious piece of the planet. I am not sure what is cancelling out or not cancelling out in your brain but I do know that you never seem to tire of repeating the same thing over and over ... "electromagnetic forces" ... "+/-=+/-". But there's no logic or explanation behind it, just bald and arcane assertions that are not only apparently incoherent but completely ignore most current knowledge.

Still, it's fun to think of a deity who is actually just a magnet, as per your claims. The universe is magnets all the way down haha

I am not claiming that a deity is a magnetic force at all.I am claiming that PRESENCE is influenced by electromagnetic forces at the psychological level and we know this because the consciousness state experienced changes from the “in the moment” to the “out of the moment”.If you claim that you are consciousness,then which one are you,the in or out of the moment state? You are not consciousness.You merely ”toggle” backwards and forwards between these two states all the time due to electromagnetic forces.Not sure why you are laughing either.The universe is electromagnets all the way down.Everything spins in the electromagnetic fields that saturate the universe at both the macro and micro levels.These electromagnets produce equal but opposite forces which cannot be cancelled out.All these electromagnets interact in the following combinations -/-…-/+..,+/-…+/+ and the only way to balance these interactions is by the formula +/-=+/- thus producing a vibratory balance.

Sy Borg wrote: ↑June 25th, 2023, 5:13 pm

Sculptor1 wrote: ↑June 25th, 2023, 9:13 amTeratoma

Have you had a diagnosis?

No. But I have had stage 4 tonsil cancer in 2008.
God gave me cancer, science gave me the cure.

I just think that teratoma is a particularly gruesome and nasty form of cancer.

Sculptor1 wrote: ↑June 26th, 2023, 3:55 am

Sy Borg wrote: ↑June 25th, 2023, 5:13 pm

Sculptor1 wrote: ↑June 25th, 2023, 9:13 amTeratoma

Have you had a diagnosis?

No. But I have had stage 4 tonsil cancer in 2008.
God gave me cancer, science gave me the cure.

I just think that teratoma is a particularly gruesome and nasty form of cancer.

Glad it's just an example of something wrong done by God, if mythological entities actually existed.

Joshua10 wrote: ↑June 26th, 2023, 1:25 am

Sy Borg wrote: ↑June 25th, 2023, 5:20 pm

Joshua10 wrote: ↑June 25th, 2023, 8:54 am

Sy Borg wrote: ↑June 25th, 2023, 7:38 am

Logically, if we are not conscious as you claim, then you are not conscious. If you are a non-conscious entity, why should I bother with your claims? Or any claims? Let's use the language as it's understood and not try to redefine known terms.

Since you are so fond of electromagnetism, look into the sky for it (not too long, though). There's the Sun, your creator, blasting out more EM waves than you can imagine. Or look downwards at the powerful dynamo beneath your feet, whose EM field protects us from the full force of the Sun's EM waves.

I am a not consciousness,I am a PRESENCE, which is aware of the 2 electromagnetic forces within my brain which do not cancel out as science claims but vibratory balance by the formula +/-=+/- .It is these interacting push/pull forces that affect the consciousness state that you and I experience.

I know about the dynamo beneath my feet and the all the other dynamo’s throughout the cosmos at both the macro and micro levels all of which interact to produce an overall vibratory balance throughout the universe.

You are a conscious piece of the planet. I am not sure what is cancelling out or not cancelling out in your brain but I do know that you never seem to tire of repeating the same thing over and over ... "electromagnetic forces" ... "+/-=+/-". But there's no logic or explanation behind it, just bald and arcane assertions that are not only apparently incoherent but completely ignore most current knowledge.

Still, it's fun to think of a deity who is actually just a magnet, as per your claims. The universe is magnets all the way down haha

I am not claiming that a deity is a magnetic force at all.I am claiming that PRESENCE is influenced by electromagnetic forces at the psychological level and we know this because the consciousness state experienced changes from the “in the moment” to the “out of the moment”.If you claim that you are consciousness,then which one are you,the in or out of the moment state? You are not consciousness.You merely ”toggle” backwards and forwards between these two states all the time due to electromagnetic forces.Not sure why you are laughing either.The universe is electromagnets all the way down.Everything spins in the electromagnetic fields that saturate the universe at both the macro and micro levels.These electromagnets produce equal but opposite forces which cannot be cancelled out.All these electromagnets interact in the following combinations -/-…-/+..,+/-…+/+ and the only way to balance these interactions is by the formula +/-=+/- thus producing a vibratory balance.

I didn't say we were consciousness. Why on earth would you claim such a thing?

Also, there's a lot more going on than EM. Gravity and strong and weak nuclear forces. Also note that electromagnetism has two components electricity and magnetism. It's not just magnetism alone.

Really, no one is interested in these crackpot ideas about pluses and minuses. No one.