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Another favourite, Roberto Lara: Argentina - The Guitar of the Pampas:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jt1HnKB5WEc

Favourite funny music vid, Lime Cordiale: Money:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGjoFNgVMF4

Another favourite video, Portugal. The Man - Live In The Moment:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hha0bwVvGmY

Transcendence. Ballake Sissoko And Vincent Segal: NPR Music Tiny Desk Concert:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtiTfejYpgs

Tito Rojas, the "salsa rooster", is now gone. They''ll surely play one of his famous songs as his funeral, which goes like:

"When you're giving me farewell,
with the last goodbye from this world,
don't cry me, because no one is eternal,
No one comes back from the profound sleep".

This might get a face-palm from some of the 70's virtuosos here but I'm thinking about doing a dive into the King Crimson material. I think for whatever reason in my teens I didn't get the right story about what their music was and so it kind of went past me (didn't help that no one I knew really listened to them). Getting the impression now that they're another band where if you like Pink Floyd but aren't acquainted with KC it's a loss. I went through Pink Floyd's discography from front to back maybe a month ago, might do the same for KC as well pretty soon.

Papus79 wrote: ↑December 27th, 2020, 3:38 pm This might get a face-palm from some of the 70's virtuosos here but I'm thinking about doing a dive into the King Crimson material. I think for whatever reason in my teens I didn't get the right story about what their music was and so it kind of went past me (didn't help that no one I knew really listened to them). Getting the impression now that they're another band where if you like Pink Floyd but aren't acquainted with KC it's a loss. I went through Pink Floyd's discography from front to back maybe a month ago, might do the same for KC as well pretty soon.

No face-palm from me! I started off with these people when their music was still called "progressive". Pink Floyd, Hawkwind, Genesis, Van der Graaf Generator ... and King Crimson. I first heard of them when their second album (In the wake of Poseidon) was current, and quickly caught up with 'Court'. Subsequently, I heard (and bought, on vinyl) all their albums. I've seen them quite a few times now, but (sadly) not in their early days. My first concert was in late 1973, at Leicester University, when Starless and bible black was about to be released.

KC are a very fine band, whose sound (and line-up) changed a lot. Earlier stuff is more 'prog'. The later music, starting with Beat, Discipline and Three of a perfect pair, went more, er, electronic. Enjoy The Fripp, in all his guises, and go to it! Enjoy some of the finest music ever released! Lark's tongues in aspic is possibly their Very Best Album?

Pattern-chaser wrote: ↑December 28th, 2020, 12:35 pm No face-palm from me! I started off with these people when their music was still called "progressive". Pink Floyd, Hawkwind, Genesis, Van der Graaf Generator ... and King Crimson. I first heard of them when their second album (In the wake of Poseidon) was current, and quickly caught up with 'Court'. Subsequently, I heard (and bought, on vinyl) all their albums. I've seen them quite a few times now, but (sadly) not in their early days. My first concert was in late 1973, at Leicester University, when Starless and bible black was about to be released.

KC are a very fine band, whose sound (and line-up) changed a lot. Earlier stuff is more 'prog'. The later music, starting with Beat, Discipline and Three of a perfect pair, went more, er, electronic. Enjoy The Fripp, in all his guises, and go to it! Enjoy some of the finest music ever released! Lark's tongues in aspic is possibly their Very Best Album?

Working my way through right now actually, chronologically, and I'm at Larks' Tongues. I can see there was a bit of a bump at Lizards where the jazz and psychedelic component got turned up significantly (liked it a lot) and between there, Islands, and what I've heard so far of Larks' Tongues that psychedelic brightness and in-your-face jazz discord got progressively turned down and driven into more subtle territories.

One thing I've tended to wonder about, I've seen it in face to face life but I see it online as well, is the tendency toward generational haggling over 'whose music was better' (and yeah - there was a little of that much earlier in the thread). The more I go back into the 1970's I feel like in some ways it's a bad question - ie. because of the recording techniques available the demands on musicianship in the direct sense of playing instruments was higher. At the same time there were angles and breadth of mood and concept that still weren't ready to be penciled in yet, fewer tools forced it to be somewhat like that, and you have later artists tracking broader territory where their priority might be better considered mood and concept mapping first, still good musicians in their own right, it's a bit more like tradeoffs. Yes, there's a lot of crap today and its all over the radio because it markets easy, just like very few people have heard, possibly even heard of, most of the best artists and music from the 1970's for the same reasons - it's the realities of the industry and it's interface with public tastes when it comes to a head count.

Papus79 wrote: ↑December 28th, 2020, 1:20 pm

Pattern-chaser wrote: ↑December 28th, 2020, 12:35 pm No face-palm from me! I started off with these people when their music was still called "progressive". Pink Floyd, Hawkwind, Genesis, Van der Graaf Generator ... and King Crimson. I first heard of them when their second album (In the wake of Poseidon) was current, and quickly caught up with 'Court'. Subsequently, I heard (and bought, on vinyl) all their albums. I've seen them quite a few times now, but (sadly) not in their early days. My first concert was in late 1973, at Leicester University, when Starless and bible black was about to be released.

KC are a very fine band, whose sound (and line-up) changed a lot. Earlier stuff is more 'prog'. The later music, starting with Beat, Discipline and Three of a perfect pair, went more, er, electronic. Enjoy The Fripp, in all his guises, and go to it! Enjoy some of the finest music ever released! Lark's tongues in aspic is possibly their Very Best Album?

Working my way through right now actually, chronologically, and I'm at Larks' Tongues. I can see there was a bit of a bump at Lizards where the jazz and psychedelic component got turned up significantly (liked it a lot) and between there, Islands, and what I've heard so far of Larks' Tongues that psychedelic brightness and in-your-face jazz discord got progressively turned down and driven into more subtle territories.

One thing I've tended to wonder about, I've seen it in face to face life but I see it online as well, is the tendency toward generational haggling over 'whose music was better' (and yeah - there was a little of that much earlier in the thread). The more I go back into the 1970's I feel like in some ways it's a bad question - ie. because of the recording techniques available the demands on musicianship in the direct sense of playing instruments was higher. At the same time there were angles and breadth of mood and concept that still weren't ready to be penciled in yet, fewer tools forced it to be somewhat like that, and you have later artists tracking broader territory where their priority might be better considered mood and concept mapping first, still good musicians in their own right, it's a bit more like tradeoffs. Yes, there's a lot of crap today and its all over the radio because it markets easy, just like very few people have heard, possibly even heard of, most of the best artists and music from the 1970's for the same reasons - it's the realities of the industry and it's interface with public tastes when it comes to a head count.

I have been into Crimson since about 1975 (ironically just after the first iteration broke up). The bleakness of their music perfectly resonated with the horror, isolation and victimisation of my teens. I also gravitated to bands with tons of variety. When I bought an album I did not want a repeat of a band's other albums, but something different, fresh and original, and in this Crimson usually delivered. I loved that they were so experimental, and produced almost as many stinkers as gems.

Today I prefer more viscerally appealing music, but their edge worked for me for some time. Back then LTIA was my favourite. Now I think I still prefer their first album but, given their erratic quality control, I find it's particular tracks that stay with me, chronologically: Epitaph, ITCOTCK, Cat Food, Bolero, Sailor's Tale, LTIA Pt1, Exiles, Starless, Elephant Talk, Discipline, Dinosaur, The Power to Believe.

This could just about be an ode to 2020, written in 1968:

I can see what some people were saying about Red, seems like their most commercially accessible album so far.

Also this stood out as both powerful and straight-forward for radio:

Papus79 wrote: ↑December 28th, 2020, 5:40 pm I can see what some people were saying about Red, seems like their most commercially accessible album so far.

There's a mighty version of that tune on KC's 40th anniversary set. It's not online because Fripp is, well, Fripp. Not sure why KC ever bothered trying to be accessible, given that they are loved for being an acquired taste.

Greta wrote: ↑December 28th, 2020, 11:19 pm

Papus79 wrote: ↑December 28th, 2020, 5:40 pm I can see what some people were saying about Red, seems like their most commercially accessible album so far.

There's a mighty version of that tune on KC's 40th anniversary set. It's not online because Fripp is, well, Fripp. Not sure why KC ever bothered trying to be accessible, given that they are loved for being an acquired taste.

"KC's 40th anniversary set" of what? The album Red? I've only got the original CD release of Red.

I've seen KC play Red at least once (I don't remember all the set-lists), but I also saw (The) Fripp, Vai and Satriani play Red at a G3 gig, which was pretty awesome.

Pattern-chaser wrote: ↑December 29th, 2020, 2:24 pm

Greta wrote: ↑December 28th, 2020, 11:19 pm
There's a mighty version of that tune on KC's 40th anniversary set. It's not online because Fripp is, well, Fripp. Not sure why KC ever bothered trying to be accessible, given that they are loved for being an acquired taste.

"KC's 40th anniversary set" of what? The album Red? I've only got the original CD release of Red.

I've seen KC play Red at least once (I don't remember all the set-lists), but I also saw (The) Fripp, Vai and Satriani play Red at a G3 gig, which was pretty awesome. 🙂

They have released so many of these anniversary releases that I can't remember which. It has video of versions of Starless, Lament and Night Watch performed live in the studio.

Satriani never did it for me. Obviously very skilled, but I prefer guitarists with more dynamic and tonal variation like Jeff Beck, Jan Akkerman, Daryl Steurmer and Uncle Frank, fusion players like John McLaughlin and Larry Coryell, or very soulful players like BB King and David Gilmour. That loud shredding with a glossy tone sounds amazing, but gets old for me after a minute or so.