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[Papus79]

To answer the earlier question on grassroots movements, given the objectives and principles of GameB, I'd say such movements can certainly play a role in raising awareness and fostering genuine dialogue. These movements could serve as platforms to bridge the gap between the intellectual deep dives of experts and the general populace, ensuring a more informed and engaged society.

That's the one thing I would have hoped for but tend to get pessimistic about, when I think about where the average person's heads at I can listen to him and Nora Bateson or him hanging out with Jordon Hall and Jamie Wheal, and for as much of a firehose of analytics comes out - I can't imagine this translating down well, or at least right now. I think of how Christianity overthrew the mystery schools, Neoplatonism (borrowed heavily though under the hood - especially John), anything that's visceral and emotive as well as symbolic but which doesn't get to analytic is what tends to grab people's attention (used in WWII as well for some of the worst pseudo-Theosophic kayfabe ever).

I see how so many people... it seems sick but... It's like they've outsourced their minds and thinking to social media the way they outsource their thinking to other people. Anything the supreme Geeks talk about on their Zoom summits needs to be digested at least a few times until they find an absolute minimum form, maybe not as powerful as a cross and chalice but aiming at that level, to get people to rally around and some light superficials that convey the important points that they're aiming for an open-source Society 2.0 where we pay as much attention to technology and proper systems applications solving civic problems while also giving climate and resource limits (especially thinking distillates of Nate Hagans and Simon Micheaux), which means for stability you don't rob one pocket to fill the other - rather you apply yourself to solutions that hit core drivers of tons of problems rather than the politically sexy thing of 'War on X'. People react like there's a football game on if you say that we're on blue team, this other group is on red team, they fall asleep for analytics - which is why I think they'd have to pride themselves on speaking very plainly with average people and doing precisely what they say they will. The only downside, and what won't win them points.... there's a small... not large... but small streak of Club of Rome-style antinatalism, or at least feathering the breaks on population growth. I don't see anyting sinister in that but - I don't see them getting much support right of center if they do advocate that. I get the sense that we are cutting things pretty close but I also get the sense that there's so much energy tech arriving that the story on that is getting better by the day (though sadly no LK99 superconductor)

[Sushan]

To answer the earlier question on grassroots movements, given the objectives and principles of GameB, I'd say such movements can certainly play a role in raising awareness and fostering genuine dialogue. These movements could serve as platforms to bridge the gap between the intellectual deep dives of experts and the general populace, ensuring a more informed and engaged society.

That's the one thing I would have hoped for but tend to get pessimistic about, when I think about where the average person's heads at I can listen to him and Nora Bateson or him hanging out with Jordon Hall and Jamie Wheal, and for as much of a firehose of analytics comes out - I can't imagine this translating down well, or at least right now. I think of how Christianity overthrew the mystery schools, Neoplatonism (borrowed heavily though under the hood - especially John), anything that's visceral and emotive as well as symbolic but which doesn't get to analytic is what tends to grab people's attention (used in WWII as well for some of the worst pseudo-Theosophic kayfabe ever).

I see how so many people... it seems sick but... It's like they've outsourced their minds and thinking to social media the way they outsource their thinking to other people. Anything the supreme Geeks talk about on their Zoom summits needs to be digested at least a few times until they find an absolute minimum form, maybe not as powerful as a cross and chalice but aiming at that level, to get people to rally around and some light superficials that convey the important points that they're aiming for an open-source Society 2.0 where we pay as much attention to technology and proper systems applications solving civic problems while also giving climate and resource limits (especially thinking distillates of Nate Hagans and Simon Micheaux), which means for stability you don't rob one pocket to fill the other - rather you apply yourself to solutions that hit core drivers of tons of problems rather than the politically sexy thing of 'War on X'. People react like there's a football game on if you say that we're on blue team, this other group is on red team, they fall asleep for analytics - which is why I think they'd have to pride themselves on speaking very plainly with average people and doing precisely what they say they will. The only downside, and what won't win them points.... there's a small... not large... but small streak of Club of Rome-style antinatalism, or at least feathering the breaks on population growth. I don't see anyting sinister in that but - I don't see them getting much support right of center if they do advocate that. I get the sense that we are cutting things pretty close but I also get the sense that there's so much energy tech arriving that the story on that is getting better by the day (though sadly no LK99 superconductor)

Your reflections are deeply insightful and touch upon a fundamental tension: the challenge of translating complex, analytical ideas into digestible and impactful messages for the broader public. This communication gap isn't unique to GameB or systems analysis discussions; throughout history, visionary ideas often struggled for mainstream acceptance until they were translated into symbols, stories, or other accessible forms.

Your reference to the way Christianity co-opted and simplified the rich tapestries of Neoplatonism and mystery schools, distilling complex philosophies into accessible symbols like the cross and chalice, provides a clear example. Symbolism and emotive narratives often have a stronger pull than analytical discussions, especially in an era of social media where bite-sized, emotionally charged content dominates.

Your observation about many people outsourcing their thinking to social media is quite poignant. In this context, for systemic change movements like GameB to gain traction, they would indeed need to develop compelling narratives, symbols, or slogans—something that can resonate on an emotive level with the masses.

Regarding the caution on antinatalism, it's a controversial topic, and you're right that advocating for it might alienate certain groups. While the broader goal might be to ensure a sustainable future given resource constraints, it's essential to approach such topics with sensitivity, understanding that cultural, religious, and personal values play a significant role in how people perceive these issues.

Finally, on the topic of emerging energy technologies, it's encouraging to see advancements in this field. While we might not have the LK99 superconductor, continuous research and innovation are progressively providing solutions to our energy and sustainability challenges. These solutions, combined with systemic changes and shifts in collective consciousness, might indeed pave the way for a brighter future.

Considering your insights, do you think there are examples from history or current events where complex ideas have been successfully translated into widespread movements? How might these serve as blueprints or lessons for the current discourse?

[Papus79]

Your observation about many people outsourcing their thinking to social media is quite poignant. In this context, for systemic change movements like GameB to gain traction, they would indeed need to develop compelling narratives, symbols, or slogans—something that can resonate on an emotive level with the masses.

I think they need to hire Taylor Swift as an ambassador sometimes.

[Sushan]

Your observation about many people outsourcing their thinking to social media is quite poignant. In this context, for systemic change movements like GameB to gain traction, they would indeed need to develop compelling narratives, symbols, or slogans—something that can resonate on an emotive level with the masses.

I think they need to hire Taylor Swift as an ambassador sometimes.

Haha, well, imagine Taylor Swift releasing her next chart-topper titled "GameB Love Story"! With her storytelling prowess, she could weave the complexities of systemic change into a catchy chorus. The world might just dance its way to understanding intricate philosophical topics!

But, jokes aside, her influence and ability to make waves in the cultural landscape could indeed be a game-changer for these ideas. Swift's lyrics on a new "Shake it Off 2.0" about societal reinvention? I'd tune in for that! How about you?

[Papus79]

If Al Jourgenson of Ministry is out of GWB and Trump songs or if the Inception pill bites Amy and Georgia of Nova Twins - that could be good. I know Liv Boeree likes to jam out but she mostly does cover songs (though if she did a fiery djent rock ode to Moloch and Alan Ginsberg I'd take the attempt - even if it turned out cringe).

To date I know of one guy, somewhat well-known west coast rapper who was in some Stoa and related groups because he wanted to weave that into his lyrics (his production wasn't bad at all) and that's sort of what he's trying to do - sneak it onto his beats. I think the UK might be more fertile though, if Dizzee Rascal, Klashnekoff, Skepta, or Fox, DRS, Rider Shafik, etc. got into this stuff that would be great too. We like mall music (bleached brittle pop with vocoders) a bit too much in the US and I don't know if you can sneak GameB into mall music very easily.

Maynard and Tool could have been talking about it all along but - no one would know except maybe five elite-level fans .

[Papus79]

I have to eat that last sentence actually - Schism's pretty obvious.

[Sushan]

If Al Jourgenson of Ministry is out of GWB and Trump songs or if the Inception pill bites Amy and Georgia of Nova Twins - that could be good. I know Liv Boeree likes to jam out but she mostly does cover songs (though if she did a fiery djent rock ode to Moloch and Alan Ginsberg I'd take the attempt - even if it turned out cringe).

To date I know of one guy, somewhat well-known west coast rapper who was in some Stoa and related groups because he wanted to weave that into his lyrics (his production wasn't bad at all) and that's sort of what he's trying to do - sneak it onto his beats. I think the UK might be more fertile though, if Dizzee Rascal, Klashnekoff, Skepta, or Fox, DRS, Rider Shafik, etc. got into this stuff that would be great too. We like mall music (bleached brittle pop with vocoders) a bit too much in the US and I don't know if you can sneak GameB into mall music very easily.

Maynard and Tool could have been talking about it all along but - no one would know except maybe five elite-level fans .

That's a vivid musical landscape you've painted! The thought of meshing profound systemic concepts with the gritty beats of UK grime or the intense melodies of djent rock is tantalizing. Imagine Dizzee Rascal dropping bars about societal transformation or Tool weaving GameB into their ethereal soundscapes. It's true that music, especially genres outside the mainstream, can be a powerful medium for introducing nuanced topics to wider audiences. And as for Maynard and Tool - well, isn't half the fun in their music trying to decipher the hidden messages? Perhaps there's already a GameB anthem hidden in plain sight, waiting for its decoding moment. Who knows? The music scene never ceases to surprise!

[Sushan]

I have to eat that last sentence actually - Schism's pretty obvious.

Ah, delving into the realm of Maynard and Tool's profound lyrics! "Schism" indeed touches on the fragmentation and the need for connection, which aligns thematically with a lot of the GameB philosophy. Music, with its wide reach and emotional resonance, can be a powerful medium to convey complex ideas. So, whether it's Taylor Swift, Tool, or any of the talented UK artists you mentioned, there's potential to embed deep concepts into their art. Maybe the next big philosophical movement will have its roots in a chart-topping track!