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Internet searches are really censoring now, so of course you won’t find the negatives that contradict official narratives. I read one before of hundreds of deaths after mRNA vaccine, but cannot find it now. A bit of digging I found...

28-year-old Healthcare Worker has Aneurysm – Brain Dead Five Days After Second Experimental Pfizer mRNA COVID Injection
https://www.bitchute.com/video/QqkOolXC4dj6/

Miami obstetrician Gregory Michael, 56, died after a catastrophic reaction to the Pfizer Covid-19 vaccine
https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medica ... r-BB1cx6DA

After administering the Pfizer experimental mRNA injections, 14 died within two weeks, and he reports that many others are near death.
https://healthimpactnews.com/2021/cna-n ... speak-out/

23 die in Norway after receiving Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine: officials[/i]
https://nypost.com/2021/01/15/23-die-in ... 9-vaccine/

There are many other similar cases of death after taking covid mRNA vaccines.


...”Injecting the body with mRNA strands — which are essentially protein synthesis instructions — could theoretically unleash catastrophic unintended consequences...

1) Sudden onset of autoimmune disorders...

2) Heightened inflammation... leading to... neurological damage, organ failure or cancer...

3) ...blood clotting... can lead to potentially fatal episodes of stroke or serious cardiovascular events.

4) Immune response interference... can result in various diseases and syndromes including hormonal / endocrine disorders, infertility, cardiovascular disease, neurological disorders...

5) ... inability to stop a runaway process that’s replicating out of control...

In addition to these five major risks, there are also enormously important questions about mRNA vaccines and some of the problems they might encounter in the body:

1) What happens if the desired protein folding goes awry?...

2) How do the antigens produced inside the cell efficiently get transported to the outer membrane of the cell? This answer seems to be confidently answered by experts in this area, but it raises a second round of questions regarding cell membrane permeability which we already know is altered by electromagnetic exposure from sources such as 5G signals from cell towers. Notably, mRNA vaccine researchers are well aware of the phenomenon known as “electroporation,” because it is used alongside “gene gun” approaches in an attempt to insert self-replicating RNA payloads into cells, as you can see mentioned in this study on mRNA vaccines.

3) What happens if the mRNA snippets get fragmented and only partial instructions are delivered to the ribosomes, resulting in translation of partial proteins?... end result could be... autoimmune disorder...

4) How might mRNA vaccines be maliciously weaponized as a depopulation platform to achieve globalist goals of depopulation via forced infertility? If mRNA can encode for the synthesis of any desired protein, it’s a simple matter to use the platform to build hormone-resembling antigens that would “teach” the human body to attack specific hormones necessary for reproduction and gestation.

... a rushed vaccine that skips animal trials and compresses many years of typical safety research into just a few months.

Importantly, many of the theoretical side effects of an mRNA vaccine would not become apparent until months or years after the initial injection. These adverse events are likely to be systemic, not acute, and would not become apparent in short-term clinical trials.”

One thing I like about the latest round of theories from RJG and Newme is that they are testable. RJG's theory is that we'll all soon be dead due to wearing masks. Newme's theory seems to be that a large number of us will die due to taking vaccines.

Where I live, something like 30% of the population have now taken vaccines and the vast majority are still social distancing and, where applicable, wearing masks. As a result the infection and death rate is now plunging and the plan is to return to normal social and economic life within about 4 months. So the test is simple and tangible. If most or all of us are dead soon, they're right. If not, they're wrong.

Only a simpleton searches for the risk-free path. The fact that every choice contains risk should be universally understood, yet isn't. It's not about avoiding risk, it's about managing risk.

LuckyR wrote:It's not about avoiding risk, it's about managing risk.

Very true. I said that same thing to a 20-something colleague of mine just the other day when he was boasting at having bought 0.8 bitcoins about a year ago, and is now in a position to buy quite a nice car with the proceeds. He's 20-something. I'm 50-something. Another colleague is 60-something and close to retirement. Our attitudes to risk in our investments reflects our respective ages and priorities. Bitcoin. A mixture of cask and stocks. All cash.

gad-fly wrote:Social-Distancing is an imminent New Normal, if not the primary. I am not about to dwell here on its lineage and protagonist, but I would rather focus on its lasting power and its shock wave in the immediate future. I believe it will last for a long while, if not permanently. Once the pandemic is gone, it will be moderated not by much, as the specified distance may be reduced from 2m to 1.5m, for example. Many of our transport and entertainment models will be impacted beyond recognizing. Would car pool still be on? Can our mass transit operating at 50% capacity still survive? If not, who will satisfy the enormous demand for subsidy? If airplane can only carry 50% capacity, will mass air travel be a thing of the past? Sport events, show business, conventions, trade fair, and so on. We should be psychologically prepared for the shock on almost all of our social activity. Or should anti-social also become our New Normal?

If you're still looking in here, now that Covid-19 is on the way out, I'd be interested to know if you still think social distancing is set to be a new normal? At the moment, at least where I live, it's still necessary until the first generation of vaccines finishes rolling out over the next couple of months or so. But after that, if it's possible for social distancing to be dropped, I think it largely will be. When the Covid-19 virus is no longer a serious problem I think the human need for social contact with other humans will re-assert itself. I think mask-wearing will linger on for longer (because it doesn't have such a large effect on people's ability to socialize) but social distancing, I think, will largely disappear again.

Steve3007 wrote: ↑March 3rd, 2021, 8:37 am

gad-fly wrote:Social-Distancing is an imminent New Normal, if not the primary. I am not about to dwell here on its lineage and protagonist, but I would rather focus on its lasting power and its shock wave in the immediate future. I believe it will last for a long while, if not permanently. Once the pandemic is gone, it will be moderated not by much, as the specified distance may be reduced from 2m to 1.5m, for example. Many of our transport and entertainment models will be impacted beyond recognizing. Would car pool still be on? Can our mass transit operating at 50% capacity still survive? If not, who will satisfy the enormous demand for subsidy? If airplane can only carry 50% capacity, will mass air travel be a thing of the past? Sport events, show business, conventions, trade fair, and so on. We should be psychologically prepared for the shock on almost all of our social activity. Or should anti-social also become our New Normal?

If you're still looking in here, now that Covid-19 is on the way out, I'd be interested to know if you still think social distancing is set to be a new normal? At the moment, at least where I live, it's still necessary until the first generation of vaccines finishes rolling out over the next couple of months or so. But after that, if it's possible for social distancing to be dropped, I think it largely will be. When the Covid-19 virus is no longer a serious problem I think the human need for social contact with other humans will re-assert itself. I think mask-wearing will linger on for longer (because it doesn't have such a large effect on people's ability to socialize) but social distancing, I think, will largely disappear again.

I agree, current social distancing is on the way out, but I anticipate mask wearing on say, airplanes by the cautious will be a new normal in the west, copying eastern preCovid behaviors.

Steve3007 wrote: ↑March 3rd, 2021, 8:37 am

gad-fly wrote:Social-Distancing is an imminent New Normal, if not the primary. I am not about to dwell here on its lineage and protagonist, but I would rather focus on its lasting power and its shock wave in the immediate future. I believe it will last for a long while, if not permanently. Once the pandemic is gone, it will be moderated not by much, as the specified distance may be reduced from 2m to 1.5m, for example. Many of our transport and entertainment models will be impacted beyond recognizing. Would car pool still be on? Can our mass transit operating at 50% capacity still survive? If not, who will satisfy the enormous demand for subsidy? If airplane can only carry 50% capacity, will mass air travel be a thing of the past? Sport events, show business, conventions, trade fair, and so on. We should be psychologically prepared for the shock on almost all of our social activity. Or should anti-social also become our New Normal?

If you're still looking in here, now that Covid-19 is on the way out, I'd be interested to know if you still think social distancing is set to be a new normal? At the moment, at least where I live, it's still necessary until the first generation of vaccines finishes rolling out over the next couple of months or so. But after that, if it's possible for social distancing to be dropped, I think it largely will be. When the Covid-19 virus is no longer a serious problem I think the human need for social contact with other humans will re-assert itself. I think mask-wearing will linger on for longer (because it doesn't have such a large effect on people's ability to socialize) but social distancing, I think, will largely disappear again.

"I'd be interested to know if you still think social distancing is set to be a new normal."

Yes, in the sense that, like homosexuality, it would not be despised and looked down on by the general public, even though the majority is not homo. Those who maintain social distance would receive due respect in the tolerant society.

Self-imposed social distancing has always been around. Call that territoriality. Some would feel uncomfortable in a crowd. Many would move away from metropolis if they can. "No, I don't hate you, but simply that I want some peace and quiet (or fresh air and sunshine)." Granted that we are social animals, akin to lion rather than tiger and leopard. Our territorial comfort zone may be small, but it is always there.

I believe the present pandemic would start the trend, or fashion trend, towards social distancing. With ups and downs, the trend would be here to stay.

Social distancing sometimes means that in practice, polite people step aside from someone who is less able to step aside in order to give them room to safely breathe.
When this is seen to happen, and it does happen, human nature can seem good. Also, polite distancing behaviour demonstrates how moral precepts depend on circumstances of others' safety, happiness, and convenience.