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AB1OB wrote:You are an observer, a point of reference that is traveling through time. What don't you understand about that?

I am not traveling through time. "Time" arises within me. If I was a point of reference, a point of reference to whom or what?

AB1OB wrote:You don't assume a position in space. Yes, I agree. Because you (and all things made from waves) have to move to exist.

I am not a thing made from waves that moves to exist. Waves and existence arises within me. I as body may appear as those things, however appearances are not what I am. Appearances of me arise within me as they do you. Appearances arise in consciousness. Consciousness is me.

AB1OB wrote:Yes, you are correct IF you are referring to "relative motion" (motion between objects).

BUT you can NOT sense the "motion of absolute time".

Describe "absolute time". If it cannot be sensed/experienced then the only thing about it that I can experience is it as a noun - a noise. I'll revue that when you describe this "absolute time" experience.

AB1OB wrote:Yes, this sense of time, motion and change is ALL "relative" motion & time. That is, motion and related time/change that we "observe" between objects.

You can experience (observe) changes in motion but without some thing to make it relative, you can not sense constant motion (and that is what "absolute time" is).

A constant does not move. No motion. So no "absolute time".

AB1OB wrote:The constant is the expansion of the universe. That constant expansion of the universe is the reason why we see the light expand. light expands spherically with the expanding space of the universe. (see post #39 above)

You say this, it may be poetic, but I am not convinced.

AB1OB wrote:"sometimes through matter once it arrives there (as energy)",,,did you not notice "(as energy)"?

Light arriving implies it travels.

AB1OB wrote:And ice and steam are water transformed. So what? They have different properties while they are in different states of existence.

Ice, steam and water are light transformed. Existence are things which exist - which appear - experience - sensory perception - relative matter. Anything perceived and conceived.

AB1OB wrote:Matter follows a radial path through expansion and Light expands spherically. Which is the reason for the ability to see light as appearing to travel through space.

Space and objects are themselves appearances which is light transformed.

Has cannabis been legalised again?

Geordie Ross wrote:Has cannabis been legalised again?

Does that mean, you think someone has to be stoned to be dissatisfied with the "accepted" view of a 'self-propagating' wave?

Granth wrote: (Nested quote removed.)


I am not traveling through time. "Time" arises within me. If I was a point of reference, a point of reference to whom or what?


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I am not a thing made from waves that moves to exist. Waves and existence arises within me. I as body may appear as those things, however appearances are not what I am. Appearances of me arise within me as they do you. Appearances arise in consciousness. Consciousness is me.


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Describe "absolute time". If it cannot be sensed/experienced then the only thing about it that I can experience is it as a noun - a noise. I'll revue that when you describe this "absolute time" experience.


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A constant does not move. No motion. So no "absolute time".


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You say this, it may be poetic, but I am not convinced.


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Light arriving implies it travels.


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Ice, steam and water are light transformed. Existence are things which exist - which appear - experience - sensory perception - relative matter. Anything perceived and conceived.


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Space and objects are themselves appearances which is light transformed.

I am not traveling through time. "Time" arises within me. If I was a point of reference, a point of reference to whom or what?

Incomprehensible nonsense.

I am not a thing made from waves that moves to exist. Waves and existence arises within me. I as body may appear as those things, however appearances are not what I am. Appearances of me arise within me as they do you. Appearances arise in consciousness. Consciousness is me.

More incomprehensible nonsense.

BUT you can NOT sense the "motion of absolute time".

Again! Incomprehensible nonsense.

Light arriving implies it travels.

Light does travel, this ia demonstrably and experimentally true. It has a finite speed, this fact is irrefutable. If it isn't, prove it wrong, prove that light does not travel.

Ice, steam and water are light transformed. Existence are things which exist - which appear - experience - sensory perception - relative matter. Anything perceived and conceived.

What on earth are you talking about? Ice steam and water are the same thing, simply different temperatures. They are not "light transfored". That makes no sense at all.

Space and objects are themselves appearances which is light transformed.

Take it to the metaphysics section, you're talking total waffle.

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AB1OB wrote: (Nested quote removed.)


Does that mean, you think someone has to be stoned to be dissatisfied with the "accepted" view of a 'self-propagating' wave?

Nope, it means a certain member is talking like a wasted hippy.

Got it, I had missed that post on my OP.

But I would really like to know if anyone is 'following my line of thought'?

(not to accept it but understand this description of the spherical expansion thing???)

Consideration should be given to what we think we are - what we are as a body (in, merely apparent, space), before relating that with concepts of energy, light, experience and general existence.

It is commonly believed by man that his body is that organism which is contained within his skin. That is a totally wrong conception and should be revised.

Your actual body reaches a long way under the earth, and very high into the heavens above the earth. You are seemingly separated from that other visible and invisible part of your body, but actually you are not, for what you think of as your body could not survive five minutes if severed from its extensions from earth and space.

You are separated from your extensions by equators only. Half of what your body needs is on the other side of the equator which divides your electro-positive visible body from its electro-negative negative mate. Conversely, half of what your invisible body needs is within you. It is absolutely imperative that each part of your body constantly give to the other half, and it is as certain that each giving shall be re given as that night will be followed by day.

What you think of as your body is a patterned extension of the earth, to which you are inescapably rooted, and it is also an extension of space surrounding the earth, within which you are temporarily compressed. It is merely a small nucleus of a very extended dual body which is hundreds, if not thousands of times larger than your visible body.

Granth wrote:Consideration should be given to what we think we are - what we are as a body (in, merely apparent, space), before relating that with concepts of energy, light, experience and general existence.

It is commonly believed by man that his body is that organism which is contained within his skin. That is a totally wrong conception and should be revised.

Your actual body reaches a long way under the earth, and very high into the heavens above the earth. You are seemingly separated from that other visible and invisible part of your body, but actually you are not, for what you think of as your body could not survive five minutes if severed from its extensions from earth and space.

You are separated from your extensions by equators only. Half of what your body needs is on the other side of the equator which divides your electro-positive visible body from its electro-negative negative mate. Conversely, half of what your invisible body needs is within you. It is absolutely imperative that each part of your body constantly give to the other half, and it is as certain that each giving shall be re given as that night will be followed by day.

What you think of as your body is a patterned extension of the earth, to which you are inescapably rooted, and it is also an extension of space surrounding the earth, within which you are temporarily compressed. It is merely a small nucleus of a very extended dual body which is hundreds, if not thousands of times larger than your visible body.

Take it to the metaphysics section, this is the philosophy of science, its not a place where you can ungraciously assert some bizarre nonsensical drivel and get away with it. Either substantiate and clarify your statements, or stop asserting it to be superior to science.

Well, if "scientifically" one states that the sun is our source of light, and therefore light is "travelling" at "speed" from such a source, then what is the source of the sun? Light IS source, yes, however the sun is merely another "temporary compression" just as what you think your enclosed/skin body is. Suns come and go. Light, however, is a constant - and a constant witness of things coming and going.

And so the "speed of light" is not really much of a science, is it. There was once the concept of a flat earth. The " speed of light" is merely a contemporary of that.

Geordie Ross wrote:Has cannabis been legalised again?

Not sure about again but in one of the US states it has become legal from today to both sell and take it.

Hell yeah that makes sense, not that I take Mary J, but I don't see it as that harmful compared to cigarettes and alcohol which let's face it if they were discovered now they'd ban on the spot. Hypocrisy is never big or clever for any government.

I should start a thread on it. Meh it's not my drug of choice someone else should.

Geordie Ross wrote:

"Ice, steam and water are light transformed. Existence are things which exist - which appear - experience - sensory perception - relative matter. Anything perceived and conceived. "

What on earth are you talking about? Ice steam and water are the same thing, simply different temperatures. They are not "light transformed". That makes no sense at all.

Water of the heavens still is water, and it still is light waves. No change whatsoever has taken place between the waters of earth and those of the heavens except a change of its condition from positive to negative preponderance. This change is due solely to a change of its direction in respect to its center of gravity.

All dense cold matter, such as iron, stone, wood, and all growing or decaying things, are light. We do not think of them as light but all are waves of motion, and all waves of motion are light.

Geordie Ross wrote:'Space and objects are themselves appearances which is light transformed."

Take it to the metaphysics section, you're talking total waffle.

When someone within this topic tells me what I am and what matter is, then I respond in kind within the very same topic. It is the respectful thing to do. It is also respectful to express disagreement where one sees it.

What the hell does religion have to do with science can I ask??? Vis a vis water of heavens is this some obscure refernce to the rainbow fundamnentalist clap trap that they wheel out to act as apologetics nonsense for what is the ramblings of itinerant peasants, and no more error free than any other work of fiction/history. I mean some people even claim Moses wrote the Pentetuech in it's entirity when he dies in the last part. Talk about cognitive dissonance.

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Ah nm whs^.

Granth wrote: (Nested quote removed.)


Water of the heavens still is water, and it still is light waves. No change whatsoever has taken place between the waters of earth and those of the heavens except a change of its condition from positive to negative preponderance. This change is due solely to a change of its direction in respect to its center of gravity.

All dense cold matter, such as iron, stone, wood, and all growing or decaying things, are light. We do not think of them as light but all are waves of motion, and all waves of motion are light.




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When someone within this topic tells me what I am and what matter is, then I respond in kind within the very same topic. It is the respectful thing to do. It is also respectful to express disagreement where one sees it.

I'd have no qualms about the nonsense you speak if you said "what if" or "imagine if". But you dont, you assert this drum circle pseudoscience tripe as though it is incontrovertibly true, even though it is diametrically opposed by all evidence that has ever been discovered.

Water changes states because of its position and gravity? All mass is made of light yet light does not travel? You're not even self consistent, surely you dont believe the absurd rubbish your churning out?

Its not a belief. Its just the way it is. And it is consistent. Maybe instead of just say it is not consistent, point out the detail of any inconsistency you think you are perceiving.

Granth wrote:Its not a belief. Its just the way it is. And it is consistent. Maybe instead of just say it is not consistent, point out the detail of any inconsistency you think you are perceiving.

Matter & Light are both forms of energy. They are both energy that is in the form of wave motion. Wave motion implies movement through space-time.

Movement through space-time is a concept. Some points of view, especially those that avoid anything truly "physical" having existence, may not want to view space-time as an actual "real spacial existence". They will look at a "conceptualized" thought of the universal consciousness, instead of an actual place.

Still, even if they are only "mental" or factors in some "universe-simulating computer program", they are still concepts that have definite properties.

Light & matter have different properties. The goal of philosophy is to place properties into their logical relativity.

Spouting meaningless crap does nothing to organize thought.

Granth wrote:Its not a belief. Its just the way it is. And it is consistent. Maybe instead of just say it is not consistent, point out the detail of any inconsistency you think you are perceiving.

"Light does not travel"- "all mass is light", therefore, either mass does not move, or light does indeed travel.

You say water is light, yet it "changes direction" when it changes state, how can something that doesn't move change direction?

Its nonsensical drivel.