Persecrates wrote:So, your conclusion is: there can be no debate about science, not philosophical, nor logical ones. None at all, in fact. Only mathematical demonstrations are possible...
Well, and here you are speaking about science in a PHYLOSOPHY forum.
You're also saying that the logic behind the mathematics (what are mathematics if a quantitative subset of Logic??) is only falsifiable/contradictable through maths.
Well, I totally disagree. The logic behind the maths can be proven false... Wait for it... LOGICALLY!
Philosophy
belongs to Science. Its role is to establish the
approaches, the thinking algorithms used by the scientists. As such several Materialist Philosophies are a tool of Science, which it uses to operate within the Reality, separating Subjective from Objective, as this is what Science generally does.
Mathematics produces the theoretical concepts, using these very Philosophical tools; then the other branches of science again use the established approaches to test the mathematical concepts. This is all inter-connected, the individual branches do not exist by themselves. Math is a
language of Science, in which all ideas are written. Mathematicians
translate the Philosophers into scientific language.
Inability to understand how Science in general operates, causes to life the illusions that by amending some terminology or an approach one can affect the results of scientific actyivities - but this is wrong. If the approach in Philosophy, which you offer, is not fully rational or materialistic (this is easily determined!), then Science would automatically reject this approach, before it even make some effect. It is not all Philosophies which are connected to Science! Those currently utilised there are mostly the modern variations of Dialectical Materialism - not because science for some reason prefers some connection to Marxism, but because these philosophies were found as most productive in their generated
approaches.
Therefore, any changes in WORDING of the philosophical approaches cannot take any effect until they are written in the language of Mathematics - and this is only possible with the Materialistic, rationalistic philosophical ideas, because mathematics is a language based on LOGIC, and Logic only operates with rational arguments. See what I mean? What you call "logical" has nothing to do with Logic until it is written as a formula!
Science is fool-proof exactly because of this feature! It only deals with something, which can be written in the language of Mathematics - this of course refers to the top sciences, the main ones, Physics and in some parts Chemistry. So-called "Applied Sciences" are less protected, but still greatly censored by the above two (plus Math and Philosophy). Thats why I was telling you from start that you were wasting your time talking about god or other crap like that - because it is impossible to present god in a mathematical form, and without this science won't even think about this god! It would not even understand what you are trying to say, because you are saying it NOT in the language science uses - with the same success someone could try to talk to you in Chinese.
Duh!!!!!