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Glad to see Sev's got another LP.

"The Dave Brubeck Quartet live at Carnegie Hall". My mate Chris put me onto this album, although I already liked the DBQ. He loves it so much he bought the CD, a hi-res download and then the original vinyl too. Good music. If you like jazz, you'll surely enjoy this.

Pattern-chaser wrote: ↑September 3rd, 2020, 9:54 am "The Dave Brubeck Quartet live at Carnegie Hall". My mate Chris put me onto this album, although I already liked the DBQ. He loves it so much he bought the CD, a hi-res download and then the original vinyl too. Good music. If you like jazz, you'll surely enjoy this.

TY, yeah pretty much anything I can dig into.

We were talking about Youtube earlier and it's value, I think places like this - ie. ease of access to what wasn't formally as easy to get to - is it's biggest benefit. In the last five years or so I've really come to appreciate just how much really good music from the 60's, 70's, and 80's there was which I simply wouldn't have known about going by radio because it wasn't top 40 of it's time and apparently the music industry has had most of the same problems it had in the 2000's (aside from digitally amplified piracy) during those decades as well which buried a heck of a lot of high-quality content.

Pattern-chaser wrote: ↑September 3rd, 2020, 9:54 am "The Dave Brubeck Quartet live at Carnegie Hall". My mate Chris put me onto this album, although I already liked the DBQ. He loves it so much he bought the CD, a hi-res download and then the original vinyl too. Good music. If you like jazz, you'll surely enjoy this.

Papus79 wrote: ↑September 3rd, 2020, 10:15 am TY, yeah pretty much anything I can dig into.

We were talking about Youtube earlier and it's value, I think places like this - ie. ease of access to what wasn't formally as easy to get to - is it's biggest benefit. In the last five years or so I've really come to appreciate just how much really good music from the 60's, 70's, and 80's there was which I simply wouldn't have known about going by radio because it wasn't top 40 of it's time and apparently the music industry has had most of the same problems it had in the 2000's (aside from digitally amplified piracy) during those decades as well which buried a heck of a lot of high-quality content.

My (musically) formative years were the late 60s and 70s. I rarely listened to chart music, unless you count the LP charts. When I was between 15 and 18, I hung around with a group of people very into music. They all came round to our house every night, and we listened to each other's new albums and old favourites. We all tried to discover bands the others hadn't heard (of), so we listened to some pretty bad stuff, but we also made lots of amazing discoveries. I started with Hendrix, Cream, Deep Purple and Led Zeppelin. But, under the influence of my friends, moved quickly into Van der Graaf Generator, King Crimson, Henry Cow, Soft Machine and Kevin Ayers. Then one of us discovered the ECM record label, and we added Eberhard Weber, Miroslav Vitous and Terje Rypdal to the list. Tom Waits and Patti Smith came later. There were so many great musicians to discover.

Some years on, and I start drifting from jazz-rock into jazz, and I was delighted to find a huge array of great music, all recorded before I was born in 1955. These days it's jazz I mostly listen to, although Dylan, John Renbourn and the Mediæval Bæbes still get their turn! So now I enjoy Miles Davis, Dave Brubeck, Stan Getz, Art Tatum and many more.

That's why this topic is so much fun, as I pillage what others recommend here to see what I think. Of course some of it doesn't suit my taste, but I'm making the odd discovery too, which makes it all worthwhile. Joanne Newsom, anyone? Big block 454? Gentle Giant? Gong?

"If determinism holds, then past events have conspired to cause me to hold this view--it is out of my control. Either I am right about free will, or it is not my fault that I am wrong."

reality doesn't give a damn about fault or blame.

The back half of this is a monster.

I didn't actually believe this would be released, normally stuff like this just floats around as a dubplate anymore and stays with a few select dj's.

Sculptor1 wrote: ↑September 4th, 2020, 8:53 am "If determinism holds, then past events have conspired to cause me to hold this view--it is out of my control. Either I am right about free will, or it is not my fault that I am wrong."

reality doesn't give a damn about fault or blame.

People do, and people are part of reality. That is just my signature, and this is not the place for that discussion. You can start thread number 4793 about free will vs. determinism if you want to have that argument.

chewybrian wrote: ↑September 5th, 2020, 8:46 pm

Sculptor1 wrote: ↑September 4th, 2020, 8:53 am "If determinism holds, then past events have conspired to cause me to hold this view--it is out of my control. Either I am right about free will, or it is not my fault that I am wrong."

reality doesn't give a damn about fault or blame.

People do, and people are part of reality. That is just my signature, and this is not the place for that discussion. You can start thread number 4793 about free will vs. determinism if you want to have that argument.

There is no argument here.
Reality does not care that people care.
Their fear and arrogance are not powerful enough to change reality.

Sculptor1 wrote: ↑September 6th, 2020, 4:46 am

chewybrian wrote: ↑September 5th, 2020, 8:46 pm

People do, and people are part of reality. That is just my signature, and this is not the place for that discussion. You can start thread number 4793 about free will vs. determinism if you want to have that argument.

There is no argument here.
Reality does not care that people care.
Their fear and arrogance are not powerful enough to change reality.

I care about my dog. If nobody and no other thing or process in the entire universe cares about my dog, this does not negate my caring. That tiny bit of reality which is me cares about my dog, and therefore reality cares, because I am real!

chewybrian wrote: ↑September 6th, 2020, 4:55 am

Sculptor1 wrote: ↑September 6th, 2020, 4:46 am
There is no argument here.
Reality does not care that people care.
Their fear and arrogance are not powerful enough to change reality.

I care about my dog. If nobody and no other thing or process in the entire universe cares about my dog, this does not negate my caring. That tiny bit of reality which is me cares about my dog, and therefore reality cares, because I am real!

Me too. You are determined to like your dog just like me.