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So China and Russia aren't colonising powers - the saviours of the world from colonialists?

Do Ukrainians think Russians are not colonisers? Did the terrible west send tanks into Ukraine? Finland worried about being invaded by Russia? But not by the terrible colonising EU.

Tibet's genocide shows China's approach to colonisation. At least they were slaughtered by good people and not the terrible west, right?

Meanwhile, The Philippines and Vietnam have had China take over their local marine territory just as Israel took some of Palestine. What would China do if Vietnam or Philippines sent missiles into China as a protest about having taken their territory? Would China - as the world's Good Guy according to Popeye - not utterly destroy Vietnam's and Filipino fishing fleets and any navy that attempted to protect them? It would be a bloodbath - and that is why Vietnam and Philippines don't attack China ... because they actually care about their people and their economy, unlike Hamas, whose self-confessed only aim is the destruction of Israel, not to help Palestinians. They are just cannot fodder.

Sy Borg,

Tell me briefly about the process that lead up to the Russians invading the Ukraine--- the process. The rest of my post stands against all patriotic irrationality.

The Russians built up on the border and then charged in.

Sy Borg wrote: ↑January 17th, 2024, 3:54 pm Because they are suffering at the hands of Jews, right? Jews, like whites, are seen as The Oppressors, according to modern Marxists.

If pain is not being caused by Jews or whites, no problem. It's only pain caused by Jews and whites that's a major problem, right?

That's because protesters think that Jews and whites should know better, but brown or black people - like animals - are assumed not to know any better and are given a free pass.

Pattern-chaser wrote: ↑January 18th, 2024, 8:32 am Do words like these really help?

Sy Borg wrote: ↑January 18th, 2024, 3:44 pm It's the ugly truth, a truth that many either deny or try to hide.

No, not an ugly truth, an ugly prejudice, expressed in deliberately (?) distasteful words. How can such words contribute to ... anything, in a useful or positive way? Surely they only fuel prejudice, and worse?

Sy Borg wrote: ↑January 17th, 2024, 3:54 pm The media didn't tell me to be sympathetic towards suffering Uyghurs, Yemenis, Syrians, South Sudanese, Libyans, Burmese or Algerians, so why should I be all emotional over Palestine?

Pattern-chaser wrote: ↑January 18th, 2024, 8:32 am Because they got a raw deal, which was none of their doing; they didn't and don't deserve what was done to them (i.e. land-theft by the UN, US and UK).

Sy Borg wrote: ↑January 18th, 2024, 3:44 pm I would say they have brought it on themselves.

All they did was to live on the land where their ancestors had lived for millennia. Then the UN, US, and UK, took most of their land from them, and 'gave' it to the Jews (there was no 'Israel' then), to appease Jewish terrorism: bombing and maiming innocent civilians. [Link] Sound familiar?

Wikipedia (link above) wrote:Within the United Kingdom there were deep divisions over Palestine policy. Dozens of British soldiers, Jewish militants, and civilians died during the campaigns of insurgency. The conflict led to heightened antisemitism in the United Kingdom. In August 1947, after the hanging of two abducted British sergeants, there was widespread anti-Jewish rioting across the United Kingdom.

It's difficult to see how the Palestinians "brought it on themselves".

I'm sure I'll cop some mighty flack, but I'm going to say this anyway. The partition of Palestine in 1948, which was forced upon the of the Palestinians who were displaced, is the root cause of this disaster in the Middle East. In should not have happened, but it did, and there is no going back. But if someone came and took my land, should I just role over and accept it as a fait accompli? I don't see why I shouldn't fight to get my land back.

I see today that Netanyahu has refused to consider a two-state solution. So what does he expect the Palestinians to do? I get that the Palestinians hate those who stole their land - I would, too, whether they were jews or Martians. The Palestinians will never give up and I don't blame them. The Israelis seem hell-bent on doing to the Palestinians what Hitler attempted to do to the Jewish people in Europe. This is just a land grab, but in this case, racism has little to do with it. The Palestinians will never get all their lands back. But I don't see why they must give up trying to get what they can back. If the Israelis would agree to a just two-state solution this never-ending disaster in the Middle East just might have the hope of being defused. But that is not what Netanyahu wants despite the fact that a significant number of Israelis advocate and demonstrate for just such a solution. Sure, Israel can exterminate the Palestinians. But if they do so, then they show themselves to be no better than the Nazis who tried to destroy them. And they will be justifiably loathed by half the world.

Pattern-chaser wrote: ↑January 19th, 2024, 10:21 am

Sy Borg wrote: ↑January 17th, 2024, 3:54 pm The media didn't tell me to be sympathetic towards suffering Uyghurs, Yemenis, Syrians, South Sudanese, Libyans, Burmese or Algerians, so why should I be all emotional over Palestine?

Pattern-chaser wrote: ↑January 18th, 2024, 8:32 am Because they got a raw deal, which was none of their doing; they didn't and don't deserve what was done to them (i.e. land-theft by the UN, US and UK).

Sy Borg wrote: ↑January 18th, 2024, 3:44 pm I would say they have brought it on themselves.

All they did was to live on the land where their ancestors had lived for millennia. Then the UN, US, and UK, took most of their land from them, and 'gave' it to the Jews (there was no 'Israel' then), to appease Jewish terrorism: bombing and maiming innocent civilians. [Link] Sound familiar?

Wikipedia (link above) wrote:Within the United Kingdom there were deep divisions over Palestine policy. Dozens of British soldiers, Jewish militants, and civilians died during the campaigns of insurgency. The conflict led to heightened antisemitism in the United Kingdom. In August 1947, after the hanging of two abducted British sergeants, there was widespread anti-Jewish rioting across the United Kingdom.

It's difficult to see how the Palestinians "brought it on themselves".

In other words, you believe that Jews have no land and must be scattered around the globe.

Thus, you would naturally view Bethlehem as Palestinian land, with no Jewish links or heritage.

Sy Borg wrote: ↑January 19th, 2024, 2:35 am The Russians built up on the border and then charged in.

That's what I thought, you know squat.

Sy Borg wrote: ↑January 19th, 2024, 2:35 am The Russians built up on the border and then charged in.

That's what I thought, you know squat.

Pattern-chaser wrote: ↑January 19th, 2024, 10:12 am

Sy Borg wrote: ↑January 17th, 2024, 3:54 pm Because they are suffering at the hands of Jews, right? Jews, like whites, are seen as The Oppressors, according to modern Marxists.

If pain is not being caused by Jews or whites, no problem. It's only pain caused by Jews and whites that's a major problem, right?

That's because protesters think that Jews and whites should know better, but brown or black people - like animals - are assumed not to know any better and are given a free pass.

Pattern-chaser wrote: ↑January 18th, 2024, 8:32 am Do words like these really help? 🤮

Sy Borg wrote: ↑January 18th, 2024, 3:44 pm It's the ugly truth, a truth that many either deny or try to hide.

No, not an ugly truth, an ugly prejudice, expressed in deliberately (?) distasteful words. 🤮 How can such words contribute to ... anything, in a useful or positive way? Surely they only fuel prejudice, and worse?

Rubbish! You are basically saying that ugliness should not be exposed because it's unpleasant to consider.

I am simply pointing out an attitude that too many people try to hide from, or make excuses for. That is, there is far less expectation on Arabs and black Africans to behave correctly than there is for whites and Jews. Thus, they are seen as too primitive to be civilised by those who claim to be their advocates.

Palestine sends the missiles - and you apportion zero blame. Israel wears the missiles - and you apportion total blame.

popeye1945 wrote: ↑January 19th, 2024, 3:50 pm

Sy Borg wrote: ↑January 19th, 2024, 2:35 am The Russians built up on the border and then charged in.

That's what I thought, you know squat.

You know less, ignoring 2014, ignoring Russia's history of invasions and Putin's dislike of USSR's breakup.

Meanwhile, all you have is Russian and Chinese propaganda - and you even gratuitously post their brainwashed slogans on the forum! I believe the Russians refer to westerners who fight for Russian causes against the west as "useful idiots" because they naively work against their own interests for silly idealistic causes.

What was the process of the unfolding of the event? I'll give you a hint, it started with the reunification of Germany. Whenever you're trying to understand the behavior of an individual or a nation you need to ask, what are they reacting to?

popeye1945 wrote: ↑January 19th, 2024, 3:59 pm What was the process of the unfolding of the event? I'll give you a hint, it started with the reunification of Germany. Whenever you're trying to understand the behavior of an individual or a nation you need to ask, what are they reacting to?

Russia reacted to the fact that they had managed to invade a number of European countries, but then they had to return them. It was a loss of resources and a loss of face.

Meanwhile, Israel reacted to the fact that thousands were killed in missile attacks, and hundreds were kidnapped, and a percentage of those tortured and mutilated. Some here think Jews should just accept the attack without fighting back, and just allow the Palestinians displace them (from their ancestral lands) and once again be scattered around the world. The PLO rejected deals to have their own land because they didn't want to share - they wanted Israel gone. Palestinians might have been living well today if a deal had been struck. Their lives couldn't be any worse than the hell that Hamas's single-minded fanaticism has brought them.

Lagayscienza wrote: ↑January 19th, 2024, 10:52 am I'm sure I'll cop some mighty flack, but I'm going to say this anyway. The partition of Palestine in 1948, which was forced upon the of the Palestinians who were displaced, is the root cause of this disaster in the Middle East. In should not have happened, but it did, and there is no going back. But if someone came and took my land, should I just role over and accept it as a fait accompli? I don't see why I shouldn't fight to get my land back.

I see today that Netanyahu has refused to consider a two-state solution. So what does he expect the Palestinians to do? I get that the Palestinians hate those who stole their land - I would, too, whether they were jews or Martians. The Palestinians will never give up and I don't blame them. The Israelis seem hell-bent on doing to the Palestinians what Hitler attempted to do to the Jewish people in Europe. This is just a land grab, but in this case, racism has little to do with it. The Palestinians will never get all their lands back. But I don't see why they must give up trying to get what they can back. If the Israelis would agree to a just two-state solution this never-ending disaster in the Middle East just might have the hope of being defused. But that is not what Netanyahu wants despite the fact that a significant number of Israelis advocate and demonstrate for just such a solution. Sure, Israel can exterminate the Palestinians. But if they do so, then they show themselves to be no better than the Nazis who tried to destroy them. And they will be justifiably loathed by half the world.

Lagayscienza,

Excellent post! I think the Palestinians will get their land back, the age of colonialism is coming to a close. With the shifting of global power from a unipolar world of America and Israel as the rulers of the globe, to that of a multipolar world with the BRICS collective. America and Israel have to their own detriment, shown their true natures for all the world to see. With that, there is no going back. America the superpower, its days are numbered as THE superpower. It will have to become a civil member of the global community, of necessity.

Sy Borg wrote: ↑January 19th, 2024, 4:16 pm

popeye1945 wrote: ↑January 19th, 2024, 3:59 pm What was the process of the unfolding of the event? I'll give you a hint, it started with the reunification of Germany. Whenever you're trying to understand the behavior of an individual or a nation you need to ask, what are they reacting to?

Russia reacted to the fact that they had managed to invade a number of European countries, but then they had to return them. It was a loss of resources and a loss of face.

Meanwhile, Israel reacted to the fact that thousands were killed in missile attacks, and hundreds were kidnapped, and a percentage of those tortured and mutilated. Some here think Jews should just accept the attack without fighting back, and just allow the Palestinians displace them (from their ancestral lands) and once again be scattered around the world. The PLO rejected deals to have their own land because they didn't want to share - they wanted Israel gone. Palestinians might have been living well today if a deal had been struck. Their lives couldn't be any worse than the hell that Hamas's single-minded fanaticism has brought them.

I told you to start with the reunification of Germany you cannot understand the problem otherwise.