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Gainsbough ian an example of an odd view of male beauty common in France.
Adrien Brody
Charles Aznavour
Yves Montant
Vincent Cassel
Pointy noses and skinny bodies obviously points to wealth and sophistication not shared by Anglo-Saxons.
I think its maybe more than a co-incidence. In S E Asia where the French were imperialists they call all Westerners "Barang", meaning big nose.

Steve3007 wrote: ↑August 16th, 2020, 2:47 pm No, a different Jack I think. He sang a few songs about outlaws and such. Bonnie and Clyde, with Brigitte Bardot probably being the best known one.

I tried to find a reference to it. All I found was a series of adventure novels about a girl who finds her friend Jack murdered and takes his clothes to become ship's boy. Doesn't fit the bill.

A male whose heart beats 1/4 slower than the women around him for fear could be Spring heeled Jack

Yes. He had enormous ears too.

Sculptor1 wrote:A male whose heart beats 1/4 slower than the women around him for fear could be Spring heeled Jack

Yes, that's what it says in the lyrics. Or something like it.

Steve3007 wrote: ↑August 16th, 2020, 3:03 pm

Sculptor1 wrote:A male whose heart beats 1/4 slower than the women around him for fear could be Spring heeled Jack

Yes, that's what it says in the lyrics. Or something like it.

Anyway - its a weirdly compelling song.

I saw Viv Stanshall on his last (I think) tour, at the Band in the Wall in Manchester. He was old, emaciated and very tired, living in a bed-sit where he died soon afterward. He only got £5 and a pint of beer from Mike Oldfield for his contribution to worldwide smash-hit "Tubular bells".

Pattern-chaser wrote:He only got £5 and a pint of beer from Mike Oldfield for his contribution to worldwide smash-hit "Tubular bells".

Really? I didn't know that. His introduction of the instruments was the part of Tubular Bells that I always remember most from listening to the LP on my parents' new Hi Fi system in the late 70's. A bit like The Intro and The Outro when he was in The Bonzo Dog Band.

Mind you, £5 was a lot of money then. I'd have done it for less.

Pattern-chaser wrote:He only got £5 and a pint of beer from Mike Oldfield for his contribution to worldwide smash-hit "Tubular bells".

Steve3007 wrote: ↑August 17th, 2020, 5:20 am Really? I didn't know that. His introduction of the instruments was the part of Tubular Bells that I always remember most from listening to the LP on my parents' new Hi Fi system in the late 70's. A bit like The Intro and The Outro when he was in The Bonzo Dog Band.

Mind you, £5 was a lot of money then. I'd have done it for less.

I was in Nottingham in the early summer of 1974, and when I walked in the park, I could choose which part of Tubular Bells I wanted to listen to by walking near to the right person's portable cassette player. Everyone was playing it, non-stop. And yes, Viv's commentary is the most memorable part of the album.

P.S. Even then, £5 was less than you think. A building site labourer was taking home £24.40 for a forty-hour week. So Viv was paid a fifth of a labourer's weekly wage for making Mr Oldfield a multi-millionaire....

Steve3007 wrote: ↑August 17th, 2020, 5:20 am

Pattern-chaser wrote:He only got £5 and a pint of beer from Mike Oldfield for his contribution to worldwide smash-hit "Tubular bells".

Really? I didn't know that. His introduction of the instruments was the part of Tubular Bells that I always remember most from listening to the LP on my parents' new Hi Fi system in the late 70's. A bit like The Intro and The Outro when he was in The Bonzo Dog Band.

More than a bit. An interesting tale (Wiki) that I knew nothing about until now too:

Vivian Stanshall, a former member of the comedic rock group Bonzo Dog Doo-Dah Band, was due to use the Manor after Oldfield, and had arrived while he was in the process of recording "Opus One" (he began to record his first solo album Men Opening Umbrellas Ahead).[citation needed] Oldfield was a fan of the way in which Stanshall had introduced the instruments one at a time on the Bonzos' song "The Intro and the Outro". He suggested to Newman that he would like Stanshall to introduce the instruments in the same manner for "Opus One"'s "finale" section, and Newman agreed to the idea.

However, the shy Oldfield then needed some persuading by Newman to go and ask Stanshall if he would carry out the request. Stanshall readily agreed to be the "master of ceremonies" on the record, but Newman recalled that the job proved to be more difficult than anticipated, with Stanshall forgetting the names of the instruments and introducing them at the wrong points in the recording. Eventually Oldfield wrote out the list of instruments in order, indicating where Stanshall should introduce them. It was the way in which Stanshall said "plus... tubular bells" to introduce the last instrument in the finale that gave Oldfield the idea to call the album Tubular Bells.

Steve3007 wrote: ↑August 16th, 2020, 2:25 pm
On a lighter note, but still on the subject of great baritones, I've always loved Lee Hazlewood's super smooth and sleazy version of Whole Lotta Shakin' Going On.

First thing that comes to mind is how Barry White would have performed a similar cover, or a Lou Rawls or Marvin Gaye.

Steve3007 wrote: ↑August 16th, 2020, 2:36 pm One of my favourite bits of Gainsbourgian nonsense:

Can't never tell if he was a genius or a fraud, but he managed to get the attention with that nonsense and the divas he hung out with:
The best he did:

Count Lucanor wrote:Can't never tell if he was a genius or a fraud, but he managed to get the attention with that nonsense and the divas he hung out with:

Neither, I think. Just an amusing French guy from the 60's who was amusing mostly because he encapsulated a particular stereotype of 60's Gauloises-smoking Frenchyness.

When I first heard that "Comic Strip" song that you've posted, on a collection of Gainsbourg greatest hits that I had, I didn't realize that Brigitte Bardot was making those noises in imitation of the style of comic strips. I just assumed she was being hilariously mad in a French 60's kind of way. And it was my friench speaking girfriend who pointed out that the line from "Je t’aime… moi non plus", which goes:

"Je vais et je viens, entre tes reins."

and which is sometimes translated just as:

I come and go inside you."

really means "I come and go between your kidneys". Much more visceral. Much more french. Or at least, much more Gainsbourg.

As this is a music thread, can I ask if anyone listens to music on an Android tablet? I just bought one (it arrives tomorrow) and I wondered what you all know or think regarding them?

Steve3007 wrote: ↑August 20th, 2020, 8:01 am it was my friench speaking girfriend who pointed out that the line from "Je t’aime… moi non plus", which goes:

"Je vais et je viens, entre tes reins."

and which is sometimes translated just as:

I come and go inside you."

really means "I come and go between your kidneys". Much more visceral. Much more french. Or at least, much more Gainsbourg.

Who else would make a song about incest and get away with it.

Pattern-chaser wrote: ↑August 20th, 2020, 10:10 am As this is a music thread, can I ask if anyone listens to music on an Android tablet? I just bought one (it arrives tomorrow) and I wondered what you all know or think regarding them?

An Android tablet is basically a larger Android phone. Any difference between tablet devices has to do with the model, manufacturer and specifications, not with the Android operational system. A Samsung tablet will have different features than a RCA tablet.

I don't know anything else, since I don't want anything to do with Apple.