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Jacob10 wrote: ↑June 20th, 2022, 1:24 am Any physicist who has a belief system that an electromagnetic field is identical in every aspect to the two forces it creates is going to produce incorrect science.As I have already explained you cannot compare the elephant with its leg and trunk no more than you can claim that a trunk is a leg and a leg is a trunk.

I understand real science my friend.I am not remotely interested in made up science.

You can only perfectly match an elephant with an identical elephant, each elephant having a leg and trunk which are different.

Jacob10 wrote: ↑June 20th, 2022, 9:46 am

Jacob10 wrote: ↑June 20th, 2022, 1:24 am Any physicist who has a belief system that an electromagnetic field is identical in every aspect to the two forces it creates is going to produce incorrect science.As I have already explained you cannot compare the elephant with its leg and trunk no more than you can claim that a trunk is a leg and a leg is a trunk.

I understand real science my friend.I am not remotely interested in made up science.

You can only perfectly match an elephant with an identical elephant, each elephant having a leg and trunk which are different.

This has nothing to do with the thread topic, unless you are arguing that God is magnetism.

If you insist on rambling off-topic non-sequiturs to yourself, could you please at least provide sources so others can have some idea what you are trying to say?

For the record I took two semesters of E&M as an undergrad and then again (two more semesters) at the graduate level.

E&M is considered classically solved, and has been for a long time. The amount that physicists know about electromagnetism exceeds what even I know by far (as I am not a solid state physicist or the like, I was able to stop there). So it's absurd to me when people try to mystify something as well-known as E&M.

Heh and I remember the first time we started magnetism. "Oh, it's just electricity with different symbols. This is going to be eas-- wait, what's that? Oh no. Oh... oh god. Please, no."

I had the distinct "pleasure" of working through Jackson's "Classical Electrodynamics," an infamous test of physics grads' sanity. It still sits on my shelf, and I contemplate burning it still.

Astro Cat wrote: ↑June 20th, 2022, 11:06 pm For the record I took two semesters of E&M as an undergrad and then again (two more semesters) at the graduate level.

E&M is considered classically solved, and has been for a long time. The amount that physicists know about electromagnetism exceeds what even I know by far (as I am not a solid state physicist or the like, I was able to stop there). So it's absurd to me when people try to mystify something as well-known as E&M.

Maybe someone Jacob knows has spoken to someone who has heard of these ideas, added 2 and 2 and came away with 22? https://www.quantamagazine.org/the-hidd ... -20200702/

Ultimately, Jacob wants to give the impression that scientists are fools who have no idea what they are talking about. If that is so, then their proofs that undermine Biblical claims can be ignored. Theists have been trying to undermine science for centuries, and always for the same reason - because science sees them just go to sleep (maybe with some fabulous near-death dreams) when they die while religion says that he, and everyone he loved who died, never really die.

Sy Borg wrote: ↑June 20th, 2022, 8:41 pm

Jacob10 wrote: ↑June 20th, 2022, 9:46 am

Jacob10 wrote: ↑June 20th, 2022, 1:24 am Any physicist who has a belief system that an electromagnetic field is identical in every aspect to the two forces it creates is going to produce incorrect science.As I have already explained you cannot compare the elephant with its leg and trunk no more than you can claim that a trunk is a leg and a leg is a trunk.

I understand real science my friend.I am not remotely interested in made up science.

You can only perfectly match an elephant with an identical elephant, each elephant having a leg and trunk which are different.

This has nothing to do with the thread topic, unless you are arguing that God is magnetism.

If you insist on rambling off-topic non-sequiturs to yourself, could you please at least provide sources so others can have some idea what you are trying to say?

It has absolutely everything to do with the thread topic.

Of course I am not arguing that a God can be defined as magnetism.I am saying that electromagnetic fields produce 2 different forces in nature and this has been definitively proved by 2 magnets 4 interactions of NN…NS….SN…SS….which produce 2 attractions and 2 repulsions.

If your stance is correct then we should observe 4 repulsions.

I can get you 2 magnets if you want so you can check it out for yourself.

You will then have your source.

Sy Borg wrote: ↑June 21st, 2022, 12:00 am

Astro Cat wrote: ↑June 20th, 2022, 11:06 pm For the record I took two semesters of E&M as an undergrad and then again (two more semesters) at the graduate level.

E&M is considered classically solved, and has been for a long time. The amount that physicists know about electromagnetism exceeds what even I know by far (as I am not a solid state physicist or the like, I was able to stop there). So it's absurd to me when people try to mystify something as well-known as E&M.

Maybe someone Jacob knows has spoken to someone who has heard of these ideas, added 2 and 2 and came away with 22? https://www.quantamagazine.org/the-hidd ... -20200702/

Ultimately, Jacob wants to give the impression that scientists are fools who have no idea what they are talking about. If that is so, then their proofs that undermine Biblical claims can be ignored. Theists have been trying to undermine science for centuries, and always for the same reason - because science sees them just go to sleep (maybe with some fabulous near-death dreams) when they die while religion says that he, and everyone he loved who died, never really die.

Well anyone who claims there is no God without definitive proof is a fool wouldn’t you think?…..and don’t say science has definitive proof because that just brings out the yawns….

Scientists claim all matter came from and will exit into single points (hole) and yet all matter is entering and exiting many many holes all the time and this has been definitively confirmed by observation.This is precisely why their flagship theories are floundering on the rocks and they know it but are too arrogant to admit it.

You can’t take these secular scientists seriously.

As I have already said…if you let secularist loose with science then it will all go “belly up” and it has.

You keep listening to these fools if you want.

Jacob10 wrote: ↑June 21st, 2022, 2:29 am

Sy Borg wrote: ↑June 21st, 2022, 12:00 am

Astro Cat wrote: ↑June 20th, 2022, 11:06 pm For the record I took two semesters of E&M as an undergrad and then again (two more semesters) at the graduate level.

E&M is considered classically solved, and has been for a long time. The amount that physicists know about electromagnetism exceeds what even I know by far (as I am not a solid state physicist or the like, I was able to stop there). So it's absurd to me when people try to mystify something as well-known as E&M.

Maybe someone Jacob knows has spoken to someone who has heard of these ideas, added 2 and 2 and came away with 22? https://www.quantamagazine.org/the-hidd ... -20200702/

Ultimately, Jacob wants to give the impression that scientists are fools who have no idea what they are talking about. If that is so, then their proofs that undermine Biblical claims can be ignored. Theists have been trying to undermine science for centuries, and always for the same reason - because science sees them just go to sleep (maybe with some fabulous near-death dreams) when they die while religion says that he, and everyone he loved who died, never really die.

Well anyone who claims there is no God without definitive proof is a fool wouldn’t you think?…..and don’t say science has definitive proof because that just brings out the yawns….

Scientists claim all matter came from and will exit into single points (hole) and yet all matter is entering and exiting many many holes all the time and this has been definitively confirmed by observation.This is precisely why their flagship theories are floundering on the rocks and they know it but are too arrogant to admit it.

You can’t take these secular scientists seriously.

As I have already said…if you let secularist loose with science then it will all go “belly up” and it has.

You keep listening to these fools if you want.

Thanks for demonstrating my point, Jacob. I like how you added spice with neurotically hostile ad hominems directed towards the scientifically literate. Insulting them harms your credibility, not theirs.

Logically, what is more credible:

1. A book written by anonymous authors, who believed that the Earth was flat and that bacterial disease was demonic possession?

2. A body of knowledge built up over millennia, being continually refined and improved with ever greater rigour?

Also I’m curious Jacob10 , do you believe that physicists have never played with bar magnets before?

Do you believe physicists haven’t observed how they interact?

I’m just confused by your example and the relevance you think it has. You seem to imply that it refutes a century of E&M science, but I don’t get the thought process. Do you think physicists have an E&M conspiracy, but that they just hope nobody gets out bar magnets to prove their century of work “wrong” somehow?

What’s more likely Jacob10, that you have discovered using the simplest of bar magnets that all of physics is wrong, or that maybe you don’t understand the physics?

(This is why I need an edit function lol).

Jacob10 I’m not trying to be rude with my questions, just struggling to understand.

Astro Cat wrote: ↑June 21st, 2022, 3:20 am (This is why I need an edit function lol).

@Jacob10 I’m not trying to be rude with my questions, just struggling to understand.

…..and I am struggling to understand scientist logic that makes them think that the 2 forces in nature are the same in every single aspect when clearly they are not………

The direction of the electromagnetic field flow through a bar magnet clearly produces 2 different forces in nature that when interacting produce different results.

The electromagnetic field is the common denominator for these differing forces yes.

Explain why the 4 magnetic interactions are not identical if there is just one common force.

This is a fundamental point that dictates the whole of scientific philosophy.

Sy Borg wrote: ↑June 21st, 2022, 3:04 am

Jacob10 wrote: ↑June 21st, 2022, 2:29 am

Sy Borg wrote: ↑June 21st, 2022, 12:00 am

Astro Cat wrote: ↑June 20th, 2022, 11:06 pm For the record I took two semesters of E&M as an undergrad and then again (two more semesters) at the graduate level.

E&M is considered classically solved, and has been for a long time. The amount that physicists know about electromagnetism exceeds what even I know by far (as I am not a solid state physicist or the like, I was able to stop there). So it's absurd to me when people try to mystify something as well-known as E&M.

Maybe someone Jacob knows has spoken to someone who has heard of these ideas, added 2 and 2 and came away with 22? https://www.quantamagazine.org/the-hidd ... -20200702/

Ultimately, Jacob wants to give the impression that scientists are fools who have no idea what they are talking about. If that is so, then their proofs that undermine Biblical claims can be ignored. Theists have been trying to undermine science for centuries, and always for the same reason - because science sees them just go to sleep (maybe with some fabulous near-death dreams) when they die while religion says that he, and everyone he loved who died, never really die.

Well anyone who claims there is no God without definitive proof is a fool wouldn’t you think?…..and don’t say science has definitive proof because that just brings out the yawns….

Scientists claim all matter came from and will exit into single points (hole) and yet all matter is entering and exiting many many holes all the time and this has been definitively confirmed by observation.This is precisely why their flagship theories are floundering on the rocks and they know it but are too arrogant to admit it.

You can’t take these secular scientists seriously.

As I have already said…if you let secularist loose with science then it will all go “belly up” and it has.

You keep listening to these fools if you want.

Thanks for demonstrating my point, Jacob. I like how you added spice with neurotically hostile ad hominems directed towards the scientifically literate. Insulting them harms your credibility, not theirs.

Logically, what is more credible:

1. A book written by anonymous authors, who believed that the Earth was flat and that bacterial disease was demonic possession?

2. A body of knowledge built up over millennia, being continually refined and improved with ever greater rigour?

Hey come on if secularist have been misguiding us all with their incorrect science then don’t you think that they deserve a bit of criticism? What do you want me to say sorry? Sorry for what?…that they have been misguiding us all with their incorrect science.Why would I want to apologies for that? They should be apologising to us.You have got everything the wrong way around.

Jacob10 wrote: ↑June 21st, 2022, 3:42 am The direction of the electromagnetic field flow through a bar magnet clearly produces 2 different forces in nature that when interacting produce different results.

How do you imagine this? There are 2 directions in a 1-dimensional universe, but we live in an at least 3-dimensional universe. Shouldn't then there be as many EM forces, as there are 3D directions?

Atla wrote: ↑June 21st, 2022, 12:28 pm

Jacob10 wrote: ↑June 21st, 2022, 3:42 am The direction of the electromagnetic field flow through a bar magnet clearly produces 2 different forces in nature that when interacting produce different results.

How do you imagine this? There are 2 directions in a 1-dimensional universe, but we live in an at least 3-dimensional universe. Shouldn't then there be as many EM forces, as there are 3D directions?

There are two different magnetic forces in the universe created by electromagnetic fields.The universe is saturated with electromagnetic fields.Things spin in the universe at both macro and micro levels and this spin is caused by the electromagnetic fields.They don’t spin as a result of nonsense theories that secular scientists have dreamt up.