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Alec Smart wrote:

Niebieskieucho wrote: First of all I'd like to note that the universe did not begin ((!)) It simply is. Consequently, the hypothesis that it originated from the big bang I consider 100% false.

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Those who claim that understood Relativity, automatically admit, that they understood nonsense

Are you qualified to make such statements? Are you cleverer than the scientific establishment or do you just say the first thing that comes into your head? I'm not saying you're wrong, by the way, I'm just saying you probably are.

Anyone is qualified who has grounds to question anything. I've got such grounds. I presume that you don't like my above sentence. Let's then start from the absurd No. 1 or alleged dilation of time. It's enough to show that it's impossible, and all relativity is toppled down. Do you want me to do it?

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Science must be sound and clean
otherwise it brings us spleen

Niebieskieucho wrote: First of all I'd like to note that the universe did not begin ((!)) It simply is. Consequently, the hypothesis that it originated from the big bang I consider 100% false.

It sounds like an argument Bill Clinton would make when defending himself against Monica Lewinsky who stuck to her Big Bang theory that night in the White House.

Jklint wrote:

Niebieskieucho wrote: First of all I'd like to note that the universe did not begin ((!)) It simply is. Consequently, the hypothesis that it originated from the big bang I consider 100% false.

It sounds like an argument Bill Clinton would make when defending himself against Monica Lewinsky who stuck to her Big Bang theory that night in the White House.

Comparison is not a discussion. Do you have a question in association with my statement, or want me to expand the topic?

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All physical laws
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Niebieskieucho wrote:Let's then start from the absurd No. 1 or alleged dilation of time. It's enough to show that it's impossible, and all relativity is toppled down. Do you want me to do it?

I don't want you to do it on my account. When you're as famous as Einstein I'll start taking you seriously.

Alec Smart wrote:

Niebieskieucho wrote:Let's then start from the absurd No. 1 or alleged dilation of time. It's enough to show that it's impossible, and all relativity is toppled down. Do you want me to do it?

I don't want you to do it on my account.

Not clear

When you're as famous as Einstein I'll start taking you seriously.

I respect your views, but nobody does me a favor in taking part in the discussion with me.

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My quality is lack of faults and my fault is nothing but qualities
In addition, I trace - unfortunately - scientific absurdities

Niebieskieucho wrote:
I respect your views,

Well that's a mistake, for a start. I know next to nothing about relativity and even less about the big bang. Based on your claims, it would seem that you're either a genius or a krank. I'm not going to say which of the two I think you are but I do think you'll fit in quite nicely here.

NIEBIESSKIEUCHO.

You wrote:

iLet's then start from the absurd No. 1 or alleged dilation of time. It's enough to show that it's impossible, and all relativity is toppled down. Do you want me to do it?

The satellites controlling the correct GPS information have a time dilation correcting factor built in without which the info would be useless. This is well known.

Regards,John

Alec Smart wrote:

Niebieskieucho wrote:
I respect your views,

Well that's a mistake, for a start. I know next to nothing about relativity and even less about the big bang. Based on your claims, it would seem that you're either a genius or a krank. I'm not going to say which of the two I think you are but I do think you'll fit in quite nicely here.

Thank you Alec Smart, but I do not judge myself.

Niebieskieucho wrote: Thank you Alec Smart, but I do not judge myself.

Very wise. There are some things we are better off not knowing.

Wooden shoe wrote: The satellites controlling the correct GPS information have a time dilation correcting factor built in without which the info would be useless. This is well known.

Relativity has no application in GPS system.The way to determine the accurate position thanks to the GPS system is the use of measurement of Differential Global Positioning System. This method uses the so-called base station (of reference), which is the receiver set at exactly the right point that sets on a regular basis differential correction for individual satellites, eliminating errors of the satellite clock, ephemeris and latency of the signal resulting from the impact of the ionosphere and troposphere. Operating conditions of the system are constantly changing, to which belong: weather, refraction of waves in the ionosphere and plenty of other ones that have influence on work of clocks. There are the following types of errors:
1. Errors of satellite orbits
2. Propagation faults
3. Errors in the transmitting and receiving devices
4. Systematic errors of phase observations
Such and more detailed information can easily be found on internet.

Regards,
niebieskieucho

Alec Smart wrote:

Niebieskieucho wrote: Based on your claims, it would seem that you're either a genius or a krank. I'm not going to say which of the two I think you are but I do think you'll fit in quite nicely here.

Thank you. I do not consider myself a genius and sometimes I'm showered epithets

Niebieskieucho wrote: I do not consider myself a genius

That's a good start.

sometimes I'm showered epithets

Just ignore them, some people have nothing better to do.

Well, I see the conversation has been going nowhere, but I'm glad the general consensus seems to be the correct one --- that the question does not make sense because it falsely assumes a beginning in the first place.

The Universe always was, and Everything in it is happening Now....

Atreyu wrote: The Universe always was, and Everything in it is happening Now....

Another expert.

The use of metaphors is Blasphemous; can not give a true, a complete, understanding of what the metaphor is intended to explain, give definition too, such as God, amorphous plasma, Ether, Big Bang.

Not only does the use of a metaphors pervert, distort, the true nature of the Reality they are meant to give, shape, definition too, the name, the identity, of Metaphor itself becomes perverted, distorted, the metaphor taking on the identity of the subject it is intended to define.

Giving a name, a number, putting a Face something that is not readily apparent, is not measurable as to location and momentum in Space-time, that is hidden in plain sight, that is sacred, secret, is Blasphemous, results in a great deal of confusion, just so much Babel.

Big Bang is a good name to use for the “the Theory of the Bing Bang because it explains, it provides evidence of, the Theory referred to being the Expanding Universe and how the Heavens and the Earth, the Universe, the Reality of the Physical Universe is born of a Single Entity, of a Single Substance, of a Singularity.

For the Jew, the Christian and the Muslim this Single Substance having no Mass, is God.

For the Scientific Theorist, this singularity, single substance has mass, is very small but so dense as to contain the whole of the Material World of Reality, Reality as it existed prior to the Big Bang, that resulted in a Big Bang, an explosion, the rapid expansion of heat and gases that filled emptiness of Space-Time with a substance having mass.