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Rachel Swindon's Sunday Sermon wrote: Netanyahu: everything is now antisemitic

You might’ve noticed the beautiful chaos that has engulfed campuses across the US as pro-Palestinian student protests spread to universities across the length and breadth of the country.

The protests began at Columbia University in New York City where students set up the Gaza Solidarity Encampment, on 17 April.

Hundreds of anti-genocide, pro-humanity students have been arrested by typically heavy-handed American cops that see any other skin colour than white as a threat to their American ‘values’.

Netanyahu responded to the mass protests by declaring everyone and everything is antisemitic and is reminiscent of what happened at German universities in the 1930’s.

This is the same child killer Netanyahu that has ordered the destruction of every university in Gaza.

The Islamic University of Gaza, Al-Azhar University, Al-Quds Open University, University College of Applied Sciences, University of Palestine, Al-Israa University, University of Gaza, Al-Aqsa University, Palestine Technical College, Palestine College of Nursing, and the College of Applied Sciences have all been bombed by the Tel Aviv terrorists.

Yet this fʉcking abomination of a failed human wants to clamp down on entirely legitimate protests at universities across the United States?

Excerpted from here.

Not *everything* is "anti-Semitic".

I don't think that anti-Semitism is all of a sudden "rife". The protests are a reaction to the genocide or ethnic cleansing in Gaza that is blasted on our social media. No other similar crisis has ever gotten such coverage. It's a reaction to our government's support of these horrible crimes while totally ignoring the crises here at home. It's a reaction to the heavy handed government strong arming of people that don't support the genocide. It's a reaction to the revelation that most of our Congress as well as other government officials are getting as much as a million dollars from Israel to influence Congress. Congress gives billions to Israel and Israel gives a portion back to buy our Congress-peoples.

The term "anti-Semitic is being used as an ad hominem fallacy to attack the person in lieu of the person's stance or argument.
Are all those that support Israel's genocide, "Islamophobic"? The US Congress, for example.

Pattern-chaser wrote: ↑April 28th, 2024, 9:13 am

Sy Borg wrote: ↑April 27th, 2024, 5:14 pm Now we have detailed descriptions of everything that Israel does, nothing about Palestinian strategies that make it more likely for civilians to be harmed, and certainly nothing about other conflicts that don't involve Jews.

No, not "Jews", but "Israelis". "Jew" is *not* synonymous with "Israeli", any more than "Hindu" is synonymous with "French". One is a religion, the other a nationality. A particular person could be one, or the other, or both, or neither. But nationality and religion are two quite different attributes. Your words, above, concern nationality, so the correct term to use is "Israeli".

Sorry. but you can tell that to the growing crowds of anti-Semites marching against Israel. Why are they not even noticing Sudan, let alone marching? Why are Jewish students targetted in universities, rather than Israelis?

Why are you so loathe to admit what everyone can readily see is happening in the west? Why not just admit that anti-Semitism is increasingly common in the west, especially in academia, and it's the major driver behind the inordinate focus on Israel and almost complete ignoring of other nations' sins, aside from Russia's?

Mo_reese wrote: ↑April 28th, 2024, 12:44 pm I don't think that anti-Semitism is all of a sudden "rife". The protests are a reaction to the genocide or ethnic cleansing in Gaza that is blasted on our social media. No other similar crisis has ever gotten such coverage. It's a reaction to our government's support of these horrible crimes while totally ignoring the crises here at home. It's a reaction to the heavy handed government strong arming of people that don't support the genocide. It's a reaction to the revelation that most of our Congress as well as other government officials are getting as much as a million dollars from Israel to influence Congress. Congress gives billions to Israel and Israel gives a portion back to buy our Congress-peoples.

The term "anti-Semitic is being used as an ad hominem fallacy to attack the person in lieu of the person's stance or argument.
Are all those that support Israel's genocide, "Islamophobic"? The US Congress, for example.

It's the wall-t0-wall coverage of this fight and the compete ignoring of almost all other rights.

The false claims of genocide keep coming. That false claim is an essential plank of anti-Semitic attacks. Never mind that Palestinian populations has far outpaced Israeli population growth for years now. As I say, genocide has been especially redefined to catch Israel. Likewise, racism was redefined to allow for free attacks on white people - against whom it is apparently impossible to be racist.

Congress gives billions to thousands of different issues. No worried. Just don't give money to the Jews!

Islam is destroying the west, piece by piece, and false claims and anti-Jewish propaganda from a veritable army of western "useful idiots" are a critical part of the strategy. You can be sure that Iran leadership - having seen that the west favours its interests over those of Israel - will be strategising about how to leverage gullible westerners who don't think much beyond media propaganda.

Pattern-chaser wrote: ↑April 27th, 2024, 8:24 am And so I argue for the non-use of the term "anti-Semitism".

Good idea. I'm conditionally all for it. The condition being that you argue to your socially-progressive friends that they should give up the words "racism" and "sexism" (and derived terms) on the same basis.

Because it's the same dynamic at work.

You're a basically-decent person whose sense of what is right and true happens to lead you to favour the Palestinian cause. And you should be free to say so, and to argue for that cause, without being labelled with an over-wide term that implies approval of the wrongs that have been done to Jewish people down the ages. Including the Holocaust.

You're calling it as you see it, not taking sides against Jews as such.

Just as those whose sense of what is right and true leads them to find against a woman or a black person in a particular situation should be free to say what they think without being labelled as beyond the pale for being "racist" or "sexist".

These words are labels. Antisemitism isn't a Thing, any more than racism is a Thing. There lies reification error.

The question is, now that you've discovered what it feels like to be on the wrong side of the progressivist labelling game, are you going to reconsider whether you may have been mistaken about discrimination ? Or would you prefer to continue to uphold your previous views whilst engaging in soecial pleading that your case is different ?

What does it take to be innocent of discrimination ?

No. You cant just throw away words because you don't like them. "Anti-Semitism" describes a real phenomenon, and a rapidly growing one.

Then there is the prevarication that one is only against Israel or its leader. However, the reality is different: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/73 ... rcna127014

The survey found that prior to the Oct. 7 assault, 67% of Jewish students reported that they felt “physically safe” on campus, whereas after the terror attack, only 46% said as much. In the first survey, 66% of Jewish students felt “emotionally safe,” whereas only 33% said that in the second survey, according to the ADL report.

In the first survey, 65% of Jewish students viewed their university as welcoming and supportive of Jewish students, whereas only 44% said they felt that way after Oct. 7. Likewise, 64% of Jewish survey respondents felt comfortable with others knowing they’re Jewish before the terror attack, while only 39% said that in the second survey.

Look at all those students - future lawyers, managers, journalists, editors, politicians an, no doubt, UN staff ... many are thoroughly anti-Semitic and ready to inflict their prejudices on, not only fellow students, but the general public. In that way, they can influence people who are not inherently anti-Semitic to adopt anti-Semitic stances and attitudes through repeated propaganda.

Imagine what people would be like if Sudan's RFS was placed under the same scrutiny as Israel. They would be on the streets. But, the anti-semites in the media keep Israel's sins front and centre.

If you want more detail on anti-Semitism in universities ... https://www.adl.org/resources/report/sc ... ism-campus

Sy Borg wrote: ↑April 26th, 2024, 3:09 pm

Belinda wrote: ↑April 26th, 2024, 5:57 am

Sy Borg wrote: ↑April 26th, 2024, 3:57 am The bias is right there in the fact that there is tremendous intensity regarding Palestine and absolutely zero interest in the far worse happenings of Sudan. The difference is that the west infantilises all parties in the Sudan conflict, as well as Palestine, effectively absolving them of expectations of moral agency. They don't know any better. But Israel should apparently know better, as if they are the only adult in the room.

Consider that over half of the UN's resolutions have concerned tiny Israel - more than all of the world combined. That is also anti-Semitism, and anti-Semitism is well-documented within the UN.

Why is Israel treated as the only party in recent wars (other than Russia and Ukraine) that has moral agency and expectations of fair play? It smalls like a mix of cultural imperialism and the influence of cultural Marxism in academia.

Israel is treated like that because Israel is the European style democracy situated amid the ME.

Thus, Israel is treated as the only responsible party with moral agency. The same expectations should be placed on all parties. When Palestinians have said for decades that they don't want a two-state solution and they seek the total annihilation of Israel, the west does not take them seriously ... "Oh, those emotional Muslims - so prone to hyperbole! Silly old things!" ... that is patronising and infantilising. When Palestine called for the destruction of Israel that should be treated with the same judgement that Israel would incur if they sought the destruction of the Palestinian state.

Now Hamas decided to destroy the Palestinian state themselves, using Israel as the conduit. Presumably, Iran's agenda will be progressed by Palestinian pais.

Israel's war against Gaza is treated by the media as of extraordinary interest compared with other disasters, because Israel as a western style democracy is not behaving democratically under its present extreme Right Wing government.

The US is closely attached to Israel due to the 'Jewish' lobby in the US. Therefore Israel may be the canary in the mine as regards US democracy.

Sy Borg wrote: ↑April 28th, 2024, 3:14 pm Sorry. but you can tell that to the growing crowds of anti-Semites marching against Israel.

OK, so why are Nazi-supporting, Holocaust-loving, "anti-Semites" marching against Israel, when their target is Jews? [Most Jews do not live in Israel.] And how are they trying to replicate their beloved atrocity? You insist on using this dreadful word, accusing-by-implication these marchers of wanting to abuse, torture, kill and erase Jews, so you tell me, if you please, of the evidence to back up your terrifying accusations. Where are the new death camps? Who is manning them? How have they been kept secret, for these camps are not widely known-of?

Alternatively, lift your head out of the Zionist-propaganda sand, and see that lots of people want a stop to the deaths in occupied Palestine. And many of them are marching on our streets to say so. Why march? Because our governments have adopted hard-line pro-Israel policies, and many don't believe this is the correct stance for our country to be taking.

The marchers are peace-lovers. They are not marching *against* anything, they are marching *for* something, something worthwhile: peace.

Pattern-chaser wrote: ↑April 29th, 2024, 8:20 am
The marchers are peace-lovers. They are not marching *against* anything, they are marching *for* something, something worthwhile: peace.

I agree PC
The US government (and establishment) were wrong in Vietnam and students protested. The students were right and were not anti-Semitic or communists.
The US government (and establishment) were wrong in Iraq and the students protested. The students were right and were not anti-Semitic or communists.
The US government (and establishment) were wrong in Afghanistan and the students protested. The students were right and were not anti-Semitic or communists.
The US government (and establishment) are wrong in Gaza and the students are protesting. The students are right and they are not anti-Semitic or communists.

Calling them anti-Semitic doesn't lessen the horrors we are witnessing. A million being starved to death and attacked. That's not war it's murder. What number of dead Palestinian children will satisfy Bibi and Zionists.

The students aren't just protesting the genocide they are also protesting the heavy handed government attempts to shut them up. They stand in peaceful protest and the militarized police brutalize them and charge them with resisting arrest.

The Wealthy Establishment profits from wars. Our economy is doing great due to the high profits of arms manufacturing corps.

The last time I looked Israel has received US taxpayer dollars, by far, more than any other country. Nearly twice as much as the second place Egypt (pay off for leaving Israel alone).

The Establishment sends hundreds of billions to Israel and they send a percentage back to Congress in the form of pay-offs. Wash, rinse and repeat. Corruption! Israel has a much better healthcare system (paid for by US taxpayers) than the US.

I see no way out for Israel. Bibi has gone "all in" and can't go back. How can there be peace after what is happening?

I concur that the Israelis got it wrong from the outset, jews and palestinians lived there together fine before the war [as far as I know].

Asking for the resignation of the police chief was just beyond belief, who do these people think they are!

As a ¼ jewish guy [well probably 1/10000th lol] I am worried that the obnoxious right wing politics [thought jews were liberals? They are when it suits them!] is going to put them all in terrible danger in the near future. Though even if they loose all their allies, they will still have their fingers in the financial sector and so wont be short of money. Perhaps I am wrong and they are so rich because they sell Jerusalem artichokes?

Pattern-chaser wrote: ↑April 29th, 2024, 8:20 amThe marchers are peace-lovers. They are not marching *against* anything, they are marching *for* something, something worthwhile: peace.

No, they are not marching for peace or they would have marched for Ukraine, Syria and Sudan.

They are marching against Israel, against Jews, full stop.

Every of your protests against my observations of your anti-Semitic leanings (which I see as manipulated and conditioned in you, rather than vindictive) fails for the same reason - your refusal to hold anyone else to the same standards as Israel.

The UN - as I keep saying, and keep being ignores - have done the same.

n 2023, EU member states voted for one resolution each on the human rights situations in Iran, Syria, North Korea, Myanmar, Crimea, the U.S. for its embargo on Cuba, and Russia for its war in Ukraine. See second table at bottom, showing resolution texts and votes. By contrast, EU states often voted in favor of nearly all 15 resolutions singling out Israel.

These same EU states have failed to introduce a single UNGA resolution this year on the human rights situation in China, Venezuela, Saudi Arabia, Cuba, Turkey, Pakistan, Vietnam, Algeria, or on 175 other countries.

You have not said anything against this so I presume that you accord with the UN's extreme anti-Semitic bias.

Mo_reese wrote: ↑April 29th, 2024, 11:33 am The [marchers] aren't just protesting the genocide they are also protesting the heavy handed government attempts to shut them up. They stand in peaceful protest and the militarized police brutalize them and charge them with resisting arrest.

[My edit.]

Yes, these are the core reasons for the marches.

Pattern-chaser wrote: ↑April 29th, 2024, 8:20 amThe marchers are peace-lovers. They are not marching *against* anything, they are marching *for* something, something worthwhile: peace.

Sy Borg wrote: ↑April 29th, 2024, 3:51 pm No, they are not marching for peace or they would have marched for Ukraine, Syria and Sudan.

They are marching against Israel, against Jews, full stop.

No, there was/is no need to protest our government's policies toward "Ukraine, Syria and Sudan", because those policies are broadly in line with the expectations and wishes of the electorate. Our governments' policies with regard to Israel are a different matter.

The marchers are not against Jews. They aren't against Moslems, Christians, Taoists, or Parsees either. This is not a religious issue; the conflict is territorial. The protestors are against violence and genocide, and *for* peace. Full stop.

Former Israeli Government Minister Shulamit Aloni wrote: It’s a trick we always use it … It’s very easy to blame people who criticise certain acts of the #Israeli government as #antisemitic & to bring up the #Holocaust & the suffering of the #Jewish people & that justifies everything we do to the #Palestinians.

Excerpted from a video interview, and reported in the Daily Sabah, Jan 3, 2022.

[The Daily Sabah (lit.'Daily Morning') is a Turkish pro-government daily newspaper, published in Turkey.]



Edited to add: Video interview published and retweeted on X/Twitter, here.

Sy Borg wrote: ↑April 29th, 2024, 3:51 pm your refusal to hold anyone else to the same standards as Israel.

The Jews are God's chosen people. It's only natural that they be held to different standards than everyone else.