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[Creative]

I don't consider viruses to be living organisms.

Fine, you can join in the debate. I guess everyone has their own opinion which is not uncommon when one begins discussing the nature of life.

There's many bacteria that are incredibly deadly, of course, they're virility depends on the hosts immune system, and small concentrations of certain bacteria will kill even the healthiest and fittest humans on earth. Regardless of corporate pharmaceutical companies.

I doubt there is something so deadly. Even the "deadly" Saar virus end up killing a few hundred people (mostly nurses who probably shot themselves full of drugs). During that year of the deadly Saar epidemic there was a greater chance of being killed by a kick from a donkey. But I guarantee you pharmaceuticals made more money by scaring everyone over Saar than they did off donkey protection equipment.

Anyway, an excerpt from the above url concerning Pasteur's recant:

A Brief Criticism of Pasteur candida-international.blogspot.com/2009/10/virology-is-religion.html In a 250-page thesis on Antoine Béchamp, Marie Nonclercq, doctor of pharmacy, explains the clear advantage that Pasteur had over Béchamp: "He was a falsifier of experiments and their results, where he wanted the outcomes to be favourable to his initial ideas. The falsifications committed by Pasteur now seem incredible to us. On deeper examination, however, the facts were in opposition to the ideas developed by Pasteur in the domain of bacteriology . . . Pasteur wilfully ignored the work of Béchamp, one of the greatest 19th-century French scientists whose considerable work in the fields of chemical synthesis, bio-chemistry and infectious pathology is almost totally unrecognised today, because it had been systematically falsified, denigrated, for the personal profit of an illustrious personage (Pasteur) who had, contrary to Béchamp, a genius for publicity and what today we call 'public relations . . .'"

[Geordie Ross]

SARS wasn't related to bacteria, I'm talking legionaries, staphylococci and streptococcus, TB, anthrax, there's dozens of food based bacteria that are highly dangerous, there's flesh eating bacteria mrsa etc etc, mild infections, if untreated will kill.

[Creative]

SARS wasn't related to bacteria, I'm talking legionaries, staphylococci and streptococcus, TB, anthrax, there's dozens of food based bacteria that are highly dangerous, there's flesh eating bacteria mrsa etc etc, mild infections, if untreated will kill.

As I said, there are people who get these viruses and develop no symptoms at all: E.g.

medicinenet.com/legionnaire_disease_and ... /page2.htm

[DarwinX]

Dangerous viruses and bacteria do not occur unless there is a dead animal involved. All germs come from dead or dying animals. Germs don't just appear out of nowhere. When an animal dies, the germs, which are part of the animals cell structure, try to escape. This is where disease comes from. When humans killed off the natural preditors, dead animal carcasses were left to rot. This is an unnatural state of affairs in the natural world. Normally, when an animal dies, it is quickly eaten by savengers. Therefore, disease is mostly a man made problem created by killing off all the natural preditors and scavengers. Toxic chemicals which are sprayed onto plants get into the food chain via insects. The insects are then eaten by small mammals. When these animals die, there cells become toxic due to dangerous chemicals residues. Now we have germ mutation due to chemical toxification.

The following video shows the true nature of viruses, bacteria and fungus.

http://www.grayfieldoptical.com/humoral_pathology.html

-- Updated May 19th, 2013, 10:49 pm to add the following --

The following link shows the true nature of viruses, bacteria and fungus.


http://www.grayfieldoptical.com/humoral_pathology.html

[Geordie Ross]

Dangerous viruses and bacteria do not occur unless there is a dead animal involved. All germs come from dead or dying animals. Germs don't just appear out of nowhere. When an animal dies, the germs, which are part of the animals cell structure, try to escape. This is where disease comes from. When humans killed off the natural preditors, dead animal carcasses were left to rot. This is an unnatural state of affairs in the natural world. Normally, when an animal dies, it is quickly eaten by savengers. Therefore, disease is mostly a man made problem created by killing off all the natural preditors and scavengers. Toxic chemicals which are sprayed onto plants get into the food chain via insects. The insects are then eaten by small mammals. When these animals die, there cells become toxic due to dangerous chemicals residues. Now we have germ mutation due to chemical toxification.

The following video shows the true nature of viruses, bacteria and fungus.

http://www.grayfieldoptical.com/humoral_pathology.html

-- Updated May 19th, 2013, 10:49 pm to add the following --

The following link shows the true nature of viruses, bacteria and fungus.


http://www.grayfieldoptical.com/humoral_pathology.html

3 of my family have died from bacterial pneumonia in 2013, are you seriously trying to tell me the bacteria was only there after they died? Name me one bacteria that lives inside of a cell... And escapes after death.

[DarwinX]

Mosquitoes can suck the blood of dead animals and transfer the poisonous bacteria to humans. In the case of pneumonia; this can be caused by eating and drinking dairy products which contain hormones which can cause a disruption to the human immune system. As stated in my previous posts, iodine is an important element in disease prevention. If your body hasn't got enough, you can become susceptible to disease. Families tend to eat the same foods together, so therefore, they tend to get the same problems. But, I would have to know what the particular circumstances were, of your family, before rushing into any conclusions about their disease. There is always the possibility that it was a cover-up by the medical system. If someone gets poisoned by chemicals from food or other sources; the medical system usually goes into cover-up mode, and creates a 'disease' to dissipate the blame and stop litigation.

[Geordie Ross]

No they didn't eat the same food, first was my grandfather on my fathers side, he had a severe chest infection, not caused by mosquito or dairy products. Second was my grandmother on my mothers side, also had COPD (chronic obstructive pulmonary disease) who then contracted a seasonal cold that finished her off, cause of death, bacterial pneumonia, not a mosquito or dairy products, thirdly my sister, she had seasonal flu, and contracted streptococcus pneumoniae. Again, no mosquito, no dairy products, no chemical poisoning, just deadly bacteria.

[DarwinX]

Can you fill in a few details regarding their lifestyle. 1. complete details of diet. 2.Were they living together at the time. 3. Did they eat the same food. 4. Did they all get sick at the exact same time. 5. Climate conditions. 6. Age 7. any bad habits like smoking, drinking alcohol or taking drugs. 8. Any dairy products at all - milk, cheese, icecream or yogurt etc. 9. any other medical conditions. 10 Any contact with halogen chemicals flourine, bromine or chlorine.

[Geordie Ross]

They lived in 3 separate houses, went to 3 different hospitals. "Complete details on diet", how am I supposed to know? Grandfather 72, grandmother, 77, sister 18. Climate is north east coast of England, low pollution, non smokers, only drank on Xmas and special occasions, only my grandmother had prior medical conditions. It was nothing to do with chemicals, lifestyle, diet, climate, mosquitoes, location etc, it was a bacterial infection of the lungs.

[Misty]

They lived in 3 separate houses, went to 3 different hospitals. "Complete details on diet", how am I supposed to know? Grandfather 72, grandmother, 77, sister 18. Climate is north east coast of England, low pollution, non smokers, only drank on Xmas and special occasions, only my grandmother had prior medical conditions. It was nothing to do with chemicals, lifestyle, diet, climate, mosquitoes, location etc, it was a bacterial infection of the lungs.

Geordie Ross,

What kind of bacterial infection of the lungs? Perhaps pneumonia? Had they been together prior to becoming sick?

Thank you, Misty

[Geordie Ross]

Yes, all three had pneumonia, all stemming from seasonal flu and colds viral infections but it severely weekend their immune system and the bacteria took hold in their lungs. They weren't in contact with each other and lived in 3 separate houses, but died within 4 months of each other.

[Misty]

Yes, all three had pneumonia, all stemming from seasonal flu and colds viral infections but it severely weekend their immune system and the bacteria took hold in their lungs. They weren't in contact with each other and lived in 3 separate houses, but died within 4 months of each other.

Geordie Ross,

Please accept my condolence.

My understanding of bacterial infections is that pneumonia is especially hard on the elderly, very young, and anyone with chronic diseases or compromised immune systems. I wonder if there was a familial mutation that would cause 3 people to die from pneumonia?

Thank you for sharing such a hard experience with us.

Misty

[Creative]

Health is extremely complicated as is sickness and neither condition is the result of one thing.

There is a pond in a forest. The water in the pond stops flowing and the plants start dying. In its place there are tens of thousands of mosquitoes while before there were just a handful. A person throws pounds upon pounds of chemicals in the pond to kill the mosquitoes and the mosquitoes die, all the flora die, and eventually the pond dies and evaporates.

So what was the cause of death? The mosquitoes? The mosquitoes are simply a natural consequence of a pond without flowing water? The pond without flowing water? The chemicals poured into the pond? It is very complicated and one must look at the whole picture in order to understand what is taking place.

Almost everyone has the herpes simplex virus. Most people show no symptoms. Some very little. For some there are very severe symptoms. Is the proliferation of herpes simplex the cause or is it the terrain, the environment? I use to have very bad cold sores. Now, I have very small and minor outbreaks very rarely, maybe less than once every two years or maybe even less. I have learned how to manage it (diet, stress) and I have learned how to treat it quickly (tea tree oil application). The virus is not and was not the problem. The problem was my lifestyle choices.

Maintaining good health and treating health issues is very complicated and it cannot be learned in a few years in a school studying simplistic symptoms and very harmful drugs. It takes time, inclination, and good lifelong teachers.

No one in my immediate family has been to an MD for illness in over 30 years. Are we simply lucky? Have we been miraculously able to avoid all of the bacteria and viruses that surround us? Or have we just learned how to maintain good health via good diet and exercise and have learned how to treat health problems by encouraging the greatest health factory there is - the human body - to heal itself?

[Geordie Ross]

Its not impossible that all three were a similar strain of bacteria, but my grandmother was in failing health with her lungs, my grandfather had a common cold that substantially weakened his immune system, and my sister had the flu. They certainly were not a result of chemical poisoning, poor diet, dairy products or mosquitoes.

[Creative]

Yes, all three had pneumonia, all stemming from seasonal flu and colds viral infections but it severely weekend their immune system and the bacteria took hold in their lungs. They weren't in contact with each other and lived in 3 separate houses, but died within 4 months of each other.

My deepest condolences. My heart goes out to you and your family for your loss.