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[Dr Jonathan Osterman PhD]

Well, if you put it like this, I want to think that the word is invented, not explored by humans. So also, an invention is an invention, and you can go on and on and on.

Well, if you put it like this, then all your empty words are invented,
and you can go on and on and on, pal.

But I have no more time for your nonsense,
because I am busy discussing Buddhism and its Central Philosophy :

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[night912]

A logical proof of God is as remarkably simple as it is elusive.

Axioms:

1) Falsities cannot be designated by existence itself, for existence speaks only on what is true. Whereas, falsities can only be consciously imagined.
2) For existence to be true — regardless of its properties — requires also that absolute nothingness is false.

Therefore, existence presupposes consciousness. There must be consciousness to designate absolute nothingness as false in order for there to be existence.

You're confusing the concept of the entity with the actual entity itself.

Here's an example for clarification:

You tell me to that there is a rock laying on the ground by itself. I look down and see the rock. We both know that it exists because we can actually see that ONE rock laying on the ground. We both agree that since the nonexistent of a SECOND rock laying next to this ONE rock, therefore, being two conciuous beings, we conclude that it is true that there is only that ONE rock laying on the ground.

Now suppose that tomorrow, all consciousness suddenly ceased to exist. This would mean that the concept of "only that ONE rock laying on the ground" as well as the concept of "the nonexistent of a SECOND rock laying next to this ONE rock" no longer exists since concepts are contingent on the existence of a consciousness. However, the entity that the "ONE rock" concept still exists. And it's still true that only this "ONE rock" entity exists since there are no other "rock" entities next to it eventhough the concept of "the nonexistent of a SECOND rock" doesn't exist.

In conclusion, the actual entity along with all its actual attributes that the concept represents, exists, regardless of the existence of its concept. Therefore, the existence of the actual entity is not contingent on there being a consciousness.