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[popeye1945]

This says more about the **** mentality of those pushing this ****, like some religions we know, agree with me or I'll kill you. This movement is anti-intellectual, emotionally based, and evil. I had a male transgender dog once; he had a litter of eight puppies, and the female transgender father of the puppies didn't even have a dick---- I am still trying to work that one out.

1. It's as much about those who *oppose* these things as those who are "pushing this".

2. I have never heard of a transgender non-human. As far as I know, gender reassignment surgery has never been carried out on a non-human.

Your talk of dog's dicks seems not to contribute usefully to this discussion.

There is nothing really to discuss, there are two genders, two aspects of one thing, the human species. This movement is one big mental **** up.

[Pattern-chaser]

This says more about the **** mentality of those pushing this ****, like some religions we know, agree with me or I'll kill you. This movement is anti-intellectual, emotionally based, and evil. I had a male transgender dog once; he had a litter of eight puppies, and the female transgender father of the puppies didn't even have a dick---- I am still trying to work that one out.

1. It's as much about those who *oppose* these things as those who are "pushing this".

2. I have never heard of a transgender non-human. As far as I know, gender reassignment surgery has never been carried out on a non-human.

Your talk of dog's dicks seems not to contribute usefully to this discussion.

There is nothing really to discuss, there are two genders, two aspects of one thing, the human species. This movement is one big mental **** up.

There are 2 genders, just as there is black and white. But if we open our eyes a little, we see all shades of grey, and realise that black and white are just the extremes, the fence-posts. This has long been incorrectly recognised as a binary issue when it is, and always has been, a spectrum.

[popeye1945]

This says more about the **** mentality of those pushing this ****, like some religions we know, agree with me or I'll kill you. This movement is anti-intellectual, emotionally based, and evil. I had a male transgender dog once; he had a litter of eight puppies, and the female transgender father of the puppies didn't even have a dick---- I am still trying to work that one out.

1. It's as much about those who *oppose* these things as those who are "pushing this".

2. I have never heard of a transgender non-human. As far as I know, gender reassignment surgery has never been carried out on a non-human.

Your talk of dog's dicks seems not to contribute usefully to this discussion.

There is nothing really to discuss, there are two genders, two aspects of one thing, the human species. This movement is one big mental **** up.

There are 2 genders, just as there is black and white. But if we open our eyes a little, we see all shades of grey, and realise that black and white are just the extremes, the fence-posts. This has long been incorrectly recognised as a binary issue when it is, and always has been, a spectrum.

You've been brainwashed, no spectrum, there has always been the anomaly of homosexuality but if it were the norm, it would be the end of the human species. You are very much in tune with the propaganda machine, it is an extremely sick culture presently, and it looks like it will win out. Presently they are indoctrinating children in the public schools **** their heads up, it is criminal, there are even doctors performing surgeries on children to change their gender, again, criminal, these bastards should be hung from lampposts, really what defense does a child have against this indoctrination, the whole thing is one giant mind fu&k,

[Stoppelmann]

There are 2 genders, just as there is black and white. But if we open our eyes a little, we see all shades of grey, and realise that black and white are just the extremes, the fence-posts. This has long been incorrectly recognised as a binary issue when it is, and always has been, a spectrum.

I think there are two sexes, but gender, as an expression of sexual attraction and identity, is on a spectrum. Unfortunately, this spectrum is being expanded to include behaviours that are a threat to children, and there are prominent examples of detransitioners who were(!) transitioned to a trans-identity so early in their lives, that unrepairable damage was done to them. Recently, some promoting the spectrum openly showed sympathy for paedophiles, saying that it is also a trans-identity.

[Sea Turtle]

This says more about the **** mentality of those pushing this ****, like some religions we know, agree with me or I'll kill you. This movement is anti-intellectual, emotionally based, and evil. I had a male transgender dog once; he had a litter of eight puppies, and the female transgender father of the puppies didn't even have a dick---- I am still trying to work that one out.

1. It's as much about those who *oppose* these things as those who are "pushing this".

2. I have never heard of a transgender non-human. As far as I know, gender reassignment surgery has never been carried out on a non-human.

Your talk of dog's dicks seems not to contribute usefully to this discussion.

There is nothing really to discuss, there are two genders, two aspects of one thing, the human species. This movement is one big mental **** up.

There are 2 genders, just as there is black and white. But if we open our eyes a little, we see all shades of grey, and realise that black and white are just the extremes, the fence-posts. This has long been incorrectly recognised as a binary issue when it is, and always has been, a spectrum.

You've been brainwashed, no spectrum, there has always been the anomaly of homosexuality but if it were the norm, it would be the end of the human species. You are very much in tune with the propaganda machine, it is an extremely sick culture presently, and it looks like it will win out. Presently they are indoctrinating children in the public schools **** their heads up, it is criminal, there are even doctors performing surgeries on children to change their gender, again, criminal, these bastards should be hung from lampposts, really what defense does a child have against this indoctrination, the whole thing is one giant mind fu&k,

if it is all a conspiracy, and being done by them... What could be the end game, I mean who and how is anyone getting an advantage?

[Sea Turtle]

There are 2 genders, just as there is black and white. But if we open our eyes a little, we see all shades of grey, and realise that black and white are just the extremes, the fence-posts. This has long been incorrectly recognised as a binary issue when it is, and always has been, a spectrum.

I think there are two sexes, but gender, as an expression of sexual attraction and identity, is on a spectrum. Unfortunately, this spectrum is being expanded to include behaviours that are a threat to children, and there are prominent examples of detransitioners who were(!) transitioned to a trans-identity so early in their lives, that unrepairable damage was done to them. Recently, some promoting the spectrum openly showed sympathy for paedophiles, saying that it is also a trans-identity.

Where is the demarcation between gender and sexes? Hormones, are a physical property that can be measured and have effects on gender. The entire endocrine system, is is physical or mental?

Perhaps gender is an extension of physical and not independent of physical. If yes than any treatment to align sex with gender would/should be target to move the gender closer to the physical instead of changing the physical to match the mental. "Because" more basic and finite physical is the building block.

[Stoppelmann]

There are 2 genders, just as there is black and white. But if we open our eyes a little, we see all shades of grey, and realise that black and white are just the extremes, the fence-posts. This has long been incorrectly recognised as a binary issue when it is, and always has been, a spectrum.

I think there are two sexes, but gender, as an expression of sexual attraction and identity, is on a spectrum. Unfortunately, this spectrum is being expanded to include behaviours that are a threat to children, and there are prominent examples of detransitioners who were(!) transitioned to a trans-identity so early in their lives, that unrepairable damage was done to them. Recently, some promoting the spectrum openly showed sympathy for paedophiles, saying that it is also a trans-identity.

Where is the demarcation between gender and sexes? Hormones, are a physical property that can be measured and have effects on gender. The entire endocrine system, is is physical or mental?

Perhaps gender is an extension of physical and not independent of physical. If yes than any treatment to align sex with gender would/should be target to move the gender closer to the physical instead of changing the physical to match the mental. "Because" more basic and finite physical is the building block.

Sex:
Sex refers to the biological and physiological characteristics that distinguish male and female bodies. These characteristics include reproductive organs, chromosomes (XX for females, XY for males), and secondary sexual characteristics such as breasts and facial hair. Sex is typically categorized as male or female based on these physical characteristics.

Gender:
Gender, on the other hand, refers to the roles, behaviours, activities, expectations, and societal norms that a particular culture considers appropriate for men, women, and other gender identities. Gender is a social and psychological construct that goes beyond the biological differences of sex. It encompasses a range of identities beyond the binary categories of male and female, including but not limited to transgender, non-binary, and genderqueer.

[Pattern-chaser]

This says more about the **** mentality of those pushing this ****, like some religions we know, agree with me or I'll kill you. This movement is anti-intellectual, emotionally based, and evil. I had a male transgender dog once; he had a litter of eight puppies, and the female transgender father of the puppies didn't even have a dick---- I am still trying to work that one out.

1. It's as much about those who *oppose* these things as those who are "pushing this".

2. I have never heard of a transgender non-human. As far as I know, gender reassignment surgery has never been carried out on a non-human.

Your talk of dog's dicks seems not to contribute usefully to this discussion.

There is nothing really to discuss, there are two genders, two aspects of one thing, the human species. This movement is one big mental **** up.

There are 2 genders, just as there is black and white. But if we open our eyes a little, we see all shades of grey, and realise that black and white are just the extremes, the fence-posts. This has long been incorrectly recognised as a binary issue when it is, and always has been, a spectrum.

You've been brainwashed, no spectrum, there has always been the anomaly of homosexuality but if it were the norm, it would be the end of the human species.

<yawn> Straw-man attacks are almost universally recognised, on philosophy forums, as invalid. Heterosexuality is "the norm"; this is not news, having always been the case, and always been recognised as such. But non-heterosexuality has also always been there, in a minority of the population, in humans and many animal species too. It's not an "anomaly", but simply natural variation, as we so often see in evolved processes.

[Pattern-chaser]

There are 2 genders, just as there is black and white. But if we open our eyes a little, we see all shades of grey, and realise that black and white are just the extremes, the fence-posts. This has long been incorrectly recognised as a binary issue when it is, and always has been, a spectrum.

I think there are two sexes, but gender, as an expression of sexual attraction and identity, is on a spectrum. Unfortunately, this spectrum is being expanded to include behaviours that are a threat to children, and there are prominent examples of detransitioners who were(!) transitioned to a trans-identity so early in their lives, that unrepairable damage was done to them. Recently, some promoting the spectrum openly showed sympathy for paedophiles, saying that it is also a trans-identity.

I sympathise with paedophiles, and believe their orientation to be as 'natural' as any other. It is unfortunate, from their point of view, that their practises cannot be permitted, for reasons that we are all well aware of — children are not capable of consent, and can suffer physical and emotional damage.

What are these "behaviours that are a threat to children"?

I do not dispute — I'm sure no-one does — that transitioning via gender reassignment surgery is a Very Big Deal, largely because it is, in practice, and as you observe, effectively irreversible. Not only that, but for optimal results, it should be carried out as early as possible, before the subject is sufficiently mature to make an 'adult' decision. This is not an easy minefield to navigate, for young people, or the adults who protect and advise them.

[popeye1945]

This says more about the **** mentality of those pushing this ****, like some religions we know, agree with me or I'll kill you. This movement is anti-intellectual, emotionally based, and evil. I had a male transgender dog once; he had a litter of eight puppies, and the female transgender father of the puppies didn't even have a dick---- I am still trying to work that one out.

1. It's as much about those who *oppose* these things as those who are "pushing this".

2. I have never heard of a transgender non-human. As far as I know, gender reassignment surgery has never been carried out on a non-human.

Your talk of dog's dicks seems not to contribute usefully to this discussion.

There is nothing really to discuss, there are two genders, two aspects of one thing, the human species. This movement is one big mental **** up.

There are 2 genders, just as there is black and white. But if we open our eyes a little, we see all shades of grey, and realise that black and white are just the extremes, the fence-posts. This has long been incorrectly recognised as a binary issue when it is, and always has been, a spectrum.

You've been brainwashed, no spectrum, there has always been the anomaly of homosexuality but if it were the norm, it would be the end of the human species.

<yawn> Straw-man attacks are almost universally recognized, on philosophy forums, as invalid. Heterosexuality is "the norm"; this is not news, having always been the case, and always been recognized as such. But non-heterosexuality has also always been there, in a minority of the population, in humans and many animal species too. It's not an "anomaly", but simply natural variation, as we so often see in evolved processes.

Feeling mentally tired are we-- lol! No, what is going on today is sick, it is an intellectual contagion, the numbers of people claiming to be born in the wrong body is growing exponentially, and with indoctrination within the public-school systems children as impressionable as they are, are being convinced of this and being referred to surgeon hacks that cut their balls off or otherwise mutilate bother genders, what happens when this child gets to the age where reason sets in. What they are doing to children today is the stuff of nightmares. Comics looking at the increase rate of sexually confused people say by a certain date going by the numbers, we will all be transgender emotionally, intellectually, and sexually confused. This is not a healthy society. Homosexuality has been around from day one, it is an anomaly granted a persistent one, it is in a way natural in its consistency, but it is not the norm, and that is what makes it an anomaly. It is the greatest mind fu*k the planet has yet seen.

[popeye1945]

This says more about the **** mentality of those pushing this ****, like some religions we know, agree with me or I'll kill you. This movement is anti-intellectual, emotionally based, and evil. I had a male transgender dog once; he had a litter of eight puppies, and the female transgender father of the puppies didn't even have a dick---- I am still trying to work that one out.

1. It's as much about those who *oppose* these things as those who are "pushing this".

2. I have never heard of a transgender non-human. As far as I know, gender reassignment surgery has never been carried out on a non-human.

Your talk of dog's dicks seems not to contribute usefully to this discussion.

There is nothing really to discuss, there are two genders, two aspects of one thing, the human species. This movement is one big mental **** up.

There are 2 genders, just as there is black and white. But if we open our eyes a little, we see all shades of grey, and realise that black and white are just the extremes, the fence-posts. This has long been incorrectly recognised as a binary issue when it is, and always has been, a spectrum.

You've been brainwashed, no spectrum, there has always been the anomaly of homosexuality but if it were the norm, it would be the end of the human species. You are very much in tune with the propaganda machine, it is an extremely sick culture presently, and it looks like it will win out. Presently they are indoctrinating children in the public schools **** their heads up, it is criminal, there are even doctors performing surgeries on children to change their gender, again, criminal, these bastards should be hung from lampposts, really what defense does a child have against this indoctrination, the whole thing is one giant mind fu&k,

if it is all a conspiracy, and being done by them... What could be the end game, I mean who and how is anyone getting an advantage?

Women's main problem historically has been the fact the men have been dominate from the beginning of time, now what to do about this, the work environment is not as harsh as it once was, we certain didn't fight to work beside our husbands and male children in the coal mines. The only way they seem to have found is to fu*k up the concept of gender, an indirect way of castration. What they ultimately Invision when the world is thrown into utter confusion, your guess is as good as mine. If I could speak another language, was younger and had a bit more money I'd move to a saner society/country.

[popeye1945]

There are 2 genders, just as there is black and white. But if we open our eyes a little, we see all shades of grey, and realise that black and white are just the extremes, the fence-posts. This has long been incorrectly recognised as a binary issue when it is, and always has been, a spectrum.

I think there are two sexes, but gender, as an expression of sexual attraction and identity, is on a spectrum. Unfortunately, this spectrum is being expanded to include behaviours that are a threat to children, and there are prominent examples of detransitioners who were(!) transitioned to a trans-identity so early in their lives, that unrepairable damage was done to them. Recently, some promoting the spectrum openly showed sympathy for paedophiles, saying that it is also a trans-identity.

I sympathise with paedophiles, and believe their orientation to be as 'natural' as any other. It is unfortunate, from their point of view, that their practises cannot be permitted, for reasons that we are all well aware of — children are not capable of consent, and can suffer physical and emotional damage.

What are these "behaviours that are a threat to children"?

I do not dispute — I'm sure no-one does — that transitioning via gender reassignment surgery is a Very Big Deal, largely because it is, in practice, and as you observe, effectively irreversible. Not only that, but for optimal results, it should be carried out as early as possible, before the subject is sufficiently mature to make an 'adult' decision. This is not an easy minefield to navigate, for young people, or the adults who protect and advise them.

Excellent post, I am shocked I agree with you!!--lol!!

[Stoppelmann]

I sympathise with paedophiles, and believe their orientation to be as 'natural' as any other. It is unfortunate, from their point of view, that their practises cannot be permitted, for reasons that we are all well aware of — children are not capable of consent, and can suffer physical and emotional damage.

What are these "behaviours that are a threat to children"?

Although I am generally in agreement with you, I think that I have as little sympathy with paedophiles as I do with drug addicts that give their drugs to minors. Addiction can also be seen to be “natural” in that it follows a certain behaviour and can lead to changes in brain chemistry and reward pathways, making it difficult for individuals to control their drug-seeking behaviours. For me, Paedophilia is hedonism out of control, and also a pursuit of pleasure and self-indulgence. It is a psychological disorder, and fortunately, individuals who experience these attractions sometimes suffer from distress and inner conflict due to their feelings, unlike addicts, whose compulsive use of drugs ignore negative consequences.

The trans-movement has expanded beyond transsexuals to include any fetishist with an exhibitionist tendency, which means that they are taking to the streets, entering primary schools, and “entertaining” family groups, in an attempt to normalise behaviour which a child would normally never see. This is completely disruptive, just as the attempts to make children aware of sexual attraction even before puberty, something that, without the intervention of adults, wouldn’t cross their minds.

I do not dispute — I'm sure no-one does — that transitioning via gender reassignment surgery is a Very Big Deal, largely because it is, in practice, and as you observe, effectively irreversible. Not only that, but for optimal results, it should be carried out as early as possible, before the subject is sufficiently mature to make an 'adult' decision. This is not an easy minefield to navigate, for young people, or the adults who protect and advise them.

It isn’t just a “Very Big Deal,” it is a violation of the bodies inherent ability to cope with illness, infection, and is prone to complications that destroy a healthy sex-life, in whatever way it may have been expressed. In too many cases, it has been the equivalent to female genital mutilation. The belief that it should be carried out as early as possible is in contradiction to the fact that in such cases, it occurs before the children are able to understand its consequences, and before sexual maturity. If it is then a “minefield” we shouldn’t be sending children out to go through it.

[Pattern-chaser]

No, what is going on today is sick, it is an intellectual contagion, the numbers of people claiming to be born in the wrong body is growing exponentially, and with indoctrination within the public-school systems children as impressionable as they are, are being convinced of this and being referred to surgeon hacks that cut their balls off or otherwise mutilate bother genders, what happens when this child gets to the age where reason sets in. What they are doing to children today is the stuff of nightmares. Comics looking at the increase rate of sexually confused people say by a certain date going by the numbers, we will all be transgender emotionally, intellectually, and sexually confused. This is not a healthy society. Homosexuality has been around from day one, it is an anomaly granted a persistent one, it is in a way natural in its consistency, but it is not the norm, and that is what makes it an anomaly. It is the greatest mind fu*k the planet has yet seen.

There is, and always has been, a spectrum of orientation. Your only problem is that you have failed to see, or to accept, this. The world is not the simple and binary thing you believe. There is much that we all do not understand, and frightened, knee-jerk, and seemingly quite violent, responses contribute to nothing except hysteria. Time for some level-headed, evidence-based, reasoning, I suggest?

[Pattern-chaser]

I sympathise with paedophiles, and believe their orientation to be as 'natural' as any other. It is unfortunate, from their point of view, that their practises cannot be permitted, for reasons that we are all well aware of — children are not capable of consent, and can suffer physical and emotional damage.

What are these "behaviours that are a threat to children"?

Although I am generally in agreement with you, I think that I have as little sympathy with paedophiles as I do with drug addicts that give their drugs to minors.

It doesn't matter which of us is right. But it looks as though you are missing my point. I sympathise with pædophiles, because their preferences seem natural to them. But I also will not tolerate their practises, in total agreement with (almost) everyone else. In the Christian terms I was raised with, I love the sinner, but hate their sins.

I think pædophiles are different from those who would give drugs to minors. The former do what they do because they're wired that way. The latter could not do what you describe, if they so chose. But your comparison is valid in the sense that we choose — for reasons we believe to be good ones — not to tolerate either of the behaviours you describe.

Addiction can also be seen to be “natural” in that it follows a certain behaviour and can lead to changes in brain chemistry and reward pathways, making it difficult for individuals to control their drug-seeking behaviours. For me, Paedophilia is hedonism out of control, and also a pursuit of pleasure and self-indulgence. It is a psychological disorder, and fortunately, individuals who experience these attractions sometimes suffer from distress and inner conflict due to their feelings, unlike addicts, whose compulsive use of drugs ignore negative consequences.

As I've said, it doesn't matter which of us is right on this point. We have in common our unwillingness to tolerate the behaviours in question, whatever the reasons behind them.

The trans-movement has expanded beyond transsexuals to include any fetishist with an exhibitionist tendency, which means that they are taking to the streets, entering primary schools, and “entertaining” family groups, in an attempt to normalise behaviour which a child would normally never see. This is completely disruptive, just as the attempts to make children aware of sexual attraction even before puberty, something that, without the intervention of adults, wouldn’t cross their minds.

I have not been aware of fetishists using the trans movement to fuel their own predilections. I hope it is not so. There are things in the world that we choose to protect our children from. Often, this is for the benefit of all. But we also try to shield children from the world itself, and choose not to expose our children to stuff that perhaps they should know about.

We only have to look back a generation or two to see that knowledge of any and all sexual practices was withheld, to the dis-benefit of all. Wives found out what sex was on their wedding nights. [This assumes their husbands knew what was what, which might be a misunderstanding on my part.] Today, we realise that this was bad for children kept ignorant in that way.

And I sometimes think that children are a lot more mature than we give them credit for, and we try to shield them from useful information concerning things they are well aware of, even if we would prefer they weren't. We try to avoid in their lives the mistakes we made in our own. Sometimes this is a great idea, and it works well. At other times, though...?

I do not dispute — I'm sure no-one does — that transitioning via gender reassignment surgery is a Very Big Deal, largely because it is, in practice, and as you observe, effectively irreversible. Not only that, but for optimal results, it should be carried out as early as possible, before the subject is sufficiently mature to make an 'adult' decision. This is not an easy minefield to navigate, for young people, or the adults who protect and advise them.

It isn’t just a “Very Big Deal,” it is a violation of the bodies inherent ability to cope with illness, infection, and is prone to complications that destroy a healthy sex-life, in whatever way it may have been expressed. In too many cases, it has been the equivalent to female genital mutilation. The belief that it should be carried out as early as possible is in contradiction to the fact that in such cases, it occurs before the children are able to understand its consequences, and before sexual maturity. If it is then a “minefield” we shouldn’t be sending children out to go through it.

We can't keep our children from the real world's minefields. We can only try to help them deal with these matters as best we can. The rest is up to them, and chance. Many transexuals will tell you they knew their own orientation much earlier than we might have expected. And yes, there are a few who have transitioned, and regret it. We need to embrace one and avoid the other. But that need is just our usual should/ought thinking. We should and will do our best, as we have tried to do in the past, and will continue trying to do in the future. As part of this, I don't see the benefit in trying to keep from our children the information they need.