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I grew up doing a lot of drawing. As a young child I took mid day naps and as I lay facing the plastered wall I'd fall asleep looking at the patterns in the texture of the wall. Often I'd draw what the patterns inspired in my imagination. It always felt like a faithful translation from what I'd imagined to what I drew and I drew whatever it was whether it made any sense to me or not.

Through high school and the start of college I dabbled in drawing and painting but probably stoped by around the time I turned 30 for no particular reason. But I married a visual artist whose medium is textiles. In fact when we met I invited her over to see some of my work before I knew what she did. I think my sense of composition and balance of textures is right up there with her's but she is master of color whereas as much as I enjoyed trying things the results were rarely pleasing. Maybe I was able to move on because it was in my environment and besides I started to realize a new creative fascination: making a garden.

It started when I visited the Harland Hand garden near where I live; there is a website dedicated to it now that he has died. Before that I'd always disliked gardens and was a snob about nature and the way plants fit an environment of their own accord. What I objected to was that most gardens seemed to be testimonials to the power and sense of orderliness of mankind. But this garden had been inspired by the maker's visits to the Sierras and so he learned to mix concrete reminiscent of exfoliated granite. To that he added exotic and inspiring plants which fit the scale of naturally occurring plants from that region but not at all restricted to plants actually from there. I was hooked and have made my own garden inspired by my own love of natural spaces but mostly not granite inspired, so minimal concrete. More than 30 years later it has a certain amount of gravitas which only age can bestow on a garden. At the time of Gerhard's visit visit only the back half had that kind of age, now even the side area has it too. He writes a blog called SucculentsandMore and if you search it for "pseudonatural freakshow you'll find his photos and write up from that visit and perhaps from subsequent visit as well.
Favorite Philosopher: McGilchrist Location: California, US
#450299
Count Lucanor wrote: November 24th, 2023, 2:01 pm Being an architect, I can say that art, including music and literature, has been very important in my life, but I cannot say that it has inspired me in some particular way of approaching life or contributed to my philosophical views. The biggest influences there come from other fields.
Music is a comfort but literature has meant more to me than philosophy or the arts generally. An issue in my childhood perhaps but give me a good story every time.
Favorite Philosopher: McGilchrist Location: California, US
#450308
Pink Floyd's Time had a profound effect on me.
Every year is getting shorter, never seem to find the time
Plans that either come to naught or half a page of scribbled lines
Hanging on in quiet desperation is the English way
The time is gone, the song is over, thought I'd something more to say
The lyric did not overcome my natural inertia to actually use my time better, but it certainly helped me feel guilty about for not using my time well.

I have hundreds of half-pages of scribbled (typed) lines. Then again, many ideas will lead nowhere, just as many bodies of water do not flow; they just sit. Move on, and keep looking for ideas that excite.
#450323
Count Lucanor wrote: November 24th, 2023, 2:01 pm Being an architect, I can say that art, including music and literature, has been very important in my life, but I cannot say that it has inspired me in some particular way of approaching life or contributed to my philosophical views. The biggest influences there come from other fields.
As an architect, I wonder if you have found the work of Christopher Alexander to be (philosophically) informative?
Favorite Philosopher: Cratylus Location: England
#450529
If a person is cannot be moved by the arts - if they have tired of music, literature, the visual arts - if these no longer inspire their philosophy, and if even the wonders of science no longer move them, then are they not just tired tired of life?
Favorite Philosopher: Hume Nietzsche Location: Antipodes
#450539
Lagayscienza wrote: December 1st, 2023, 9:55 am If a person is cannot be moved by the arts - if they have tired of music, literature, the visual arts - if these no longer inspire their philosophy, and if even the wonders of science no longer move them, then are they not just tired tired of life?
And if so, who can blame them?
#450548
Pattern-chaser wrote: November 26th, 2023, 1:08 pm
Count Lucanor wrote: November 24th, 2023, 2:01 pm Being an architect, I can say that art, including music and literature, has been very important in my life, but I cannot say that it has inspired me in some particular way of approaching life or contributed to my philosophical views. The biggest influences there come from other fields.
As an architect, I wonder if you have found the work of Christopher Alexander to be (philosophically) informative?
I remember, when still a student, coming across briefly with Notes on the Synthesis of Form, which I never came back to and don't remember anything (I can only match the name with the book title). I'm curious now, so it would be nice to take a second look. Thank you for the reference.
Favorite Philosopher: Umberto Eco Location: Panama
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Count Lucanor wrote: November 24th, 2023, 2:01 pm Being an architect, I can say that art, including music and literature, has been very important in my life, but I cannot say that it has inspired me in some particular way of approaching life or contributed to my philosophical views. The biggest influences there come from other fields.
Pattern-chaser wrote: November 26th, 2023, 1:08 pm As an architect, I wonder if you have found the work of Christopher Alexander to be (philosophically) informative?
Count Lucanor wrote: December 2nd, 2023, 1:44 am I remember, when still a student, coming across briefly with Notes on the Synthesis of Form, which I never came back to and don't remember anything (I can only match the name with the book title). I'm curious now, so it would be nice to take a second look. Thank you for the reference.
I have Notes... too, on my bookshelf, alongside A timeless way of building and A pattern language. I never got around to affording the 3-volume set on the Nature of Order. I believe it brings his previous works together, or to a conclusion, but I haven't read them. Perhaps I should...

I came across them all in the 90s, when patterns became a pursuit of software designers, and very helpful they were (and are) too.
Favorite Philosopher: Cratylus Location: England

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