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[Misty]

Hello Okisites,

The "a" is not needed before Politics and Judiciary. Perhaps the word Political should have been used. Sentence structure is important. Clarity, being concise and non repetitive is helpful.

However, people come from all over the world speaking different first languages, so some grace should be used in this forum. I usually can understand what you are saying and your thoughts are right up there with the best on this PC.

We all make mistakes in all areas of writing and speaking.

Misty

Thank you for pointing out my mistakes but why these minor mistakes are so important then the real important topics. I think, if I am not a native speaker, and secondly that I can be understood fairly by other, why there is a need to stop me to contribute to the forums. Why spelling and grammar is more important than a topic itself.

Why to expect so much perfect English from non-native speakers, who is not used to speak in English, and yet allowed to speak up in the forums for almost 2 years and nearly 1000's of posts between. I am sorry to use this language in front of you, but why these son of bitches suddenly changed their attitude towards the replies and posts, which is more important then just spelling and grammar. They don't want to defend their positions, don't wanted to argue why they are right, just wanted to do whatever they seems right, why such attitudes comes in just after these bastards moderators came in? Why they don't wanted to argue their position? What is it so that they just think they are right and need not any clarifications and justification of their position? When these son of bitches will understand, what is more important in comparison? These newly came moderators bringing up huge changes,and also do not wanted to argue about that.

I am sorry to use this language in front of you, Mam, but this language is very useful for such people. Believe me.

I feel it really badly to talk with you like this, but I can't really handle such moves without clarifications. This must be clarified.

Thank You, Okisites.

Please do not feel bad Okisites, I understand you just fine. I like the difference you bring to the forum, and your wisdom is refreshing. I was not criticizing you, just answering your question. You are also one of the most polite person on the forum. Misty

[Obvious Leo]

Please do not feel bad Okisites, I understand you just fine.

I understand you just fine as well, my friend, and enjoy reading your thoughts. As a writer I try to be as clear and precise in my use of language as I can be, occasionally with mixed success. However I also try to never lose touch with a single unassailable fact. The meaning of my words will always be a construct of the mind that reads them, regardless of my honourable intent. Once words are in the public domain they're no longer yours and people are free to interpret them as they wish. You mightn't like it but you can't stop it from happening.

Regards Leo

[Dukedroklar]

Tis a sad day for me. I usually spend no less than 3-4 hours editing, multiple proof reads, rewordings and so on before I post even a reply. Even once posted I always read it again a final time. Sometimes this process actually takes days for me in an offline word doc before I move it to the forum . While I think most of my posts would probably pass muster, I have self educated myself from the age of 13 so I am aware I am lacking in my mastery of communication skills at times and may inadvertently violate a rule or use older terminology not familiar to many that are younger than myself.

When I come across a post that is violating some important rules or I consider it frivolous etc, I simply don't finish the read and move on. If I come across a post with poor spelling or grammar I do not dismiss it but attempt to understand the intent of the poster and consider that rather than focus on trivialities.

Who doesn't hate the "spelling police" of some posters (internet wide) that use grammar and spelling errors to belittle and demean a poster (of less education) and therefore demean his point... it's a form of ad hominem.

I feel I will now miss out on many valid points (or at least food for thought) simply because of spelling and grammar errors and these people will give up on even contributing after having been rejected too many times. Even if I contribute financially and bypass the censors, it doesn't address those that will not and leave or become lurkers with no input.

BUT, it is your forum and I respect your right to do what you think is best for it and the majority of its patrons.

[Okisites]

(Nested quote removed.)


Thank you for pointing out my mistakes but why these minor mistakes are so important then the real important topics. I think, if I am not a native speaker, and secondly that I can be understood fairly by other, why there is a need to stop me to contribute to the forums. Why spelling and grammar is more important than a topic itself.

Why to expect so much perfect English from non-native speakers, who is not used to speak in English, and yet allowed to speak up in the forums for almost 2 years and nearly 1000's of posts between. I am sorry to use this language in front of you, but why these son of bitches suddenly changed their attitude towards the replies and posts, which is more important then just spelling and grammar. They don't want to defend their positions, don't wanted to argue why they are right, just wanted to do whatever they seems right, why such attitudes comes in just after these bastards moderators came in? Why they don't wanted to argue their position? What is it so that they just think they are right and need not any clarifications and justification of their position? When these son of bitches will understand, what is more important in comparison? These newly came moderators bringing up huge changes,and also do not wanted to argue about that.

I am sorry to use this language in front of you, Mam, but this language is very useful for such people. Believe me.

I feel it really badly to talk with you like this, but I can't really handle such moves without clarifications. This must be clarified.

Thank You, Okisites.

Please do not feel bad Okisites, I understand you just fine. I like the difference you bring to the forum, and your wisdom is refreshing. I was not criticizing you, just answering your question. You are also one of the most polite person on the forum. Misty

You know Mam, My address is blocked without addressing my question or anyway arguing with me in front of a public or you. I cannot access the website from my own computer. I am using another computer even to see it, let alone logging in. This is how some people behave with one who go against the complete control. Website shows website not found in my computer, which from other computer it is accessible.

Okay, Take care, bye.

Okisites.

[Dukedroklar]

I cannot access the website from my own computer. I am using another computer even to see it, let alone logging in. Website shows website not found in my computer, which from other computer it is accessible.

Hi, just so you know I think the site was having problems since after posting here and reading a bit. All pages I went to came up as offline although I could surf anyplace else. I checked it for a couple hours and the site was still offline so I am not sure how long it took before it came back online.

[Okisites]

I cannot access the website from my own computer. I am using another computer even to see it, let alone logging in. Website shows website not found in my computer, which from other computer it is accessible.

Hi, just so you know I think the site was having problems since after posting here and reading a bit. All pages I went to came up as offline although I could surf anyplace else. I checked it for a couple hours and the site was still offline so I am not sure how long it took before it came back online.

Well I am extremely sorry for not replying soon, and I also have probably understood that site might had a problem at that time, but I want to share some coincidence with you and all.

I have experienced 2-3 hours of webpage not available page, but when I used proxy server, it instantly opened the site through proxy server. Secondly after opening the site using proxy server, I then checked again with proxy server and it still get opened this time though it is down for almost 2-3 hours. If coincidence, this maybe a very unbelievable and doubtful coincidence.

I have previously said, that I used the another computer, but that was not the truth, but I just said it thinking that Scott or mods might block a proxy server too, therefore I haven't said that it is a proxy server I am accessing the site, but said that it is an another computer.

When I seen that site instantly opened after using proxy server, I am kind of confirmed that I probably had been blocked.

So this is why I claimed that Site admins or mods have blocked me from seeing or visiting the site.

Thank you, Okisites. But certainly there is no reason to stop tested and observed members from starting a new topic, just like mods and contributors.

[Gulnara]

I have modified the posting permissions to require new topics to be approved before they are made public and before other can post replies to them. I believe this will save a lot of moderation work by making sure topics get off to a good start.

I believe such an overregulation is counterproductive and will deter people from opening new threads.

Same here.

-- Updated Mon Nov 10, 2014 4:55 pm to add the following --

I have modified the posting permissions to require new topics to be approved before they are made public and before other can post replies to them.

I believe this will save a lot of moderation work by making sure topics get off to a good start.

This will also prevent the problem wherein some members have their interesting replies deleted simply because it was in reply to a topic with an OP that was not up to par.

Moderators and contributors are exempt from being on the moderation queue.

I am still looking for volunteer queue moderators. Please reply here or send me a PM if you think you might be interested in helping out with approving/disapproving the held posts in the queue.

It does not make sense to remove topics that sparked someone to post interesting thoughts. You know, before wood goes on fire, it first creates plenty of smock. Cancel the mock, and you won't get the fire.

-- Updated Thu Nov 13, 2014 8:27 pm to add the following --

Something of this sort is going on on this site, on Philosophy Forums. The plague of censorship erodes Internet. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-YK8R3EiMk

[Logic_ill]

Dear Scott,

I haven't been able to post a question I have about the possibility of consciousness outside living organisms. I suppose I have to ask for you approval. The question is how can one go about proving consciousness outside a living organism. Is that even possible? I think this may enter into the realm of the supernatural as we call it, but can there be a more scientific way to go about it? I just wanted to generate ideas. Please let me know what you think...

[Mysterio448]

Just a suggestion. Why not make the topics on this forum to function like the comments on a Youtube page? On Youtube, people can like or dislike a comment. And if a certain comment gets disliked enough it is hidden from view. The hidden comments can still be accessed and are not deleted, but its just a bit harder to see them.

[Dukedroklar]

Just a suggestion. Why not make the topics on this forum to function like the comments on a Youtube page? On Youtube, people can like or dislike a comment. And if a certain comment gets disliked enough it is hidden from view. The hidden comments can still be accessed and are not deleted, but its just a bit harder to see them.

I like this suggestion.... ummm, where's the dang like button

[Philosophy Explorer]

Just a suggestion. Why not make the topics on this forum to function like the comments on a Youtube page? On Youtube, people can like or dislike a comment. And if a certain comment gets disliked enough it is hidden from view. The hidden comments can still be accessed and are not deleted, but its just a bit harder to see them.

I like this suggestion.... ummm, where's the dang like button

I think Spiral Out has gone on record as being vehemently opposed to this idea

PhilX

[Dragonoftime]

Administrators are certainly administrating their power. In this way it is a human filter, and just like a filter not everything gets to go through. Whether what does not go through is good or bad that is what a filter is meant to do. Stop the bad even at the cost of good. Why, to help both the administrator and ourselves.

I will admit although that a filter does delay time that it take a source to get to the screen or any machine for that matter and that the con of it. If iit lags to much then the machine dies this is where the administrators now will have to do a 24/7 juggle. The internet is on no matter what, so the question then is will the administrators be on no matter what?

[Ramage]

Maybe some rationale to it, but overall a bit of a disincentive - in the, 'I want it now' age - we have all become (justifiably or otherwise) conditioned to!

-- Updated November 21st, 2014, 5:41 pm to add the following --

What I mean is - 'Would a commercially oriented site adopt such a strategy?' 'Course not! And though commerciality may be portrayed as compromising with unmerited evil, its nature is somewhat pragmaticly redeemed by its - of necessity - tendency to be peculiarly well tailored to satisfying effective popular demand!

-- Updated November 21st, 2014, 6:11 pm to add the following --

Eg I submitted an ok post which I'd now like to edit for clarification - before its viewed - but don't know next when it's appearance will coincide with my personal time to do so!

[Obvious Leo]

Why have you allowed a philosophy forum to be hijacked by religious fundamentalists, Scott? There are precious few members here who can make a meaningful contribution to subjects of legitimate philosophical enquiry and those few who are willing to have a crack at it are routinely being sabotaged by nutcases. If this is what you had in mind when you first undertook this adventure it would be helpful if the serious players were made aware of it so they could piss off elsewhere.

Regards Leo

[Reactor]

What I have learned from a career in engineering:

1. We work and play in ongoing dynamic time, but all our logic, arithmetic, and machine control is confined to timeless static frames. We can speak of and write about circuit, machine, and animate behavior, but the fundamental operators of ordinary logic can only describe static states, not dynamic activities.

2. Behavior emulation using standard logic is therefore limited to still frames stitched together with clock pulses or many lines of linear-sequential code (software) like a child’s connect-the-dot drawing. That is why there are millions of lines of code in some programs.

3. There is a dynamic alternative to computation for process management. It is truly real time, it is parallel-concurrent, and it reacts immediately to changes. It has 100-times fewer components, is 100-times faster to respond, has little or no run-time software, and it is safer. Control circuits and systems designed and built to this method would be improved and cost less.

I offer to prove the truth of the first two statements (for those who do not already believe them) and demonstrate the truth of the third statement.

Best regards, Reactor