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Ecurb wrote: ↑December 22nd, 2021, 8:34 pm

Sy Borg wrote: ↑December 22nd, 2021, 7:34 pm

As for God itself, the OT is replete with its frequent unnecessarily violent atrocities. You can't whitewash that with a feelgood second testament. That's akin to a rapist offering his victim a bunch of flowers and a box of chocolates.

I go along with everything else you wrote. Fine. This is that part I questioned in my post. The perspective is a human one. Of course from our perspective floods and famines seem horrible. Death seems terrible to us mortals. But if God knows what will happen when we die, is death horrible to Him? And if it isn't terrible to Him -- if, indeed, it is rebirth to a better place for those He loves -- why would all of those slaughters constitute "atrocities"?

The Problem of Pain seems a more difficult one for Christian apologists than a few billion killings, which might, after all, be a kindness to the departed.
I'm not saying any of this is true -- just that, given the story, my apologetic seems logically sound.

EricPH wrote: ↑December 23rd, 2021, 8:56 am The creation of the universe is history, and you can't change history. Either at least one God with knowledge; power and a purpose created the universe and life, or it all happened purely by natural causes. You could be a hundred percent right or wrong on the toss of a coin. There cannot be a maybe or probable God.

[quote=Belindi post_

The recent child abuse scandals in churches, and subsequent cover ups and lack of justice and mercy among senior churchmen is ample evidence of toxic corporations.

Most church goers are saddened and shocked that this happened. But when these people abandon God and do what they choose to do; how can you blame God when they go against God's commands?

Greatest I am wrote: ↑December 23rd, 2021, 11:53 am There is nothing logically or morally sound in a god who can cure just as easily as kill yet always chooses to kill.

EricPH wrote: ↑December 24th, 2021, 6:58 am

Greatest I am wrote: ↑December 23rd, 2021, 11:53 am There is nothing logically or morally sound in a god who can cure just as easily as kill yet always chooses to kill.

Does science and philosophy teach us to ignore all the evidence we don't want to see; in order for us to come up with our own biased conclusions?

JackDaydream wrote: ↑December 24th, 2021, 4:46 pm @EricPH
The problem is there is not clear evidence about religious ideas and this means that it is speculation. Being honest and authentic, I have found that my thinking on the existence of God has shifted many times. I am inclined to believe in some form of anthropic principle but I am not sure about the anthropomorphic pictures, of God, apart from in the form of Jesus. But, in general, there is the question whether human beings were made in likeness of God, or whether humanity created ideas of God based on their own nature?

Saying that, I am not opposed to religious ideas and do believe that it captures important aspects of truth, often symbolic ones. Personally, I am fascinated by religious ideas and embrace the realm of comparative religion. I was brought up as a Catholic, and I do still go to church at times. However, I do love reading about Eastern religions traditions and I am planning to go to a Quaker meeting as being a form of Christian service without the rituals and, involving silent contemplation.

Greatest I am wrote: ↑December 25th, 2021, 1:43 pm
Does your ideology include a clause that says you should raise hell against evil religions?

This, --- for evil to grow, all good people need do is nothing,

Hermann Goering

Why of course the people don’t want to go to war. Why would some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best he can hope for is to come back to his farm in one piece.
Naturally the common people don’t want war, neither in Russia nor in England nor in America, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood.

But after all it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether in a democracy, fascist dictatorship or a parliament or a communist dictatorship.

Voice or no voice the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for a lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.

"Greatest I am" post
This, --- for evil to grow, all good people need do is nothing, --- is a part of my ideology/theology, given that I call myself a Gnostic Christian.

Does yours, and how do you exercise that degrading chore?

This last question, I send to all.

EricPH wrote: ↑December 28th, 2021, 2:48 pm

Greatest I am wrote: ↑December 25th, 2021, 1:43 pm
Does your ideology include a clause that says you should raise hell against evil religions?

Mine doesn’t, does yours?

This, --- for evil to grow, all good people need do is nothing,

When people use guns, then evil can grow, good people tend not to use guns. Hermann Goering summed up how evil people take power.

Hermann Goering

Why of course the people don’t want to go to war. Why would some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best he can hope for is to come back to his farm in one piece.
Naturally the common people don’t want war, neither in Russia nor in England nor in America, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood.

But after all it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether in a democracy, fascist dictatorship or a parliament or a communist dictatorship.

Voice or no voice the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for a lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.

"Greatest I am" post
This, --- for evil to grow, all good people need do is nothing, --- is a part of my ideology/theology, given that I call myself a Gnostic Christian.

Does yours, and how do you exercise that degrading chore?

This last question, I send to all.

I believe in Christian Unity and a greater interfaith cooperation when working towards the common good. In our town the faith communities have opened up five houses for the homeless, they organise the food bank, organise and run food programmes for underprivileged children and much more.

Greatest I am wrote: ↑December 28th, 2021, 8:41 pm
I am happy my kin sinned to end WWII or we would be communicating in German.
Are you sure good people do not use guns and Atomic Bombs?

The US is said to have been involved in 32 distinct and separate bombing campaigns on 24 different countries between 1945 and 1999.

EricPH wrote: ↑December 29th, 2021, 7:13 pm

Greatest I am wrote: ↑December 28th, 2021, 8:41 pm
I am happy my kin sinned to end WWII or we would be communicating in German.
Are you sure good people do not use guns and Atomic Bombs?

The good Germans within their own country were unable to overcome the evil Germans at the time of Hitler.

The US is said to have been involved in 32 distinct and separate bombing campaigns on 24 different countries between 1945 and 1999.

It seems like the good people in the Us could not stop their government bombing other countries.

Greatest I am wrote: ↑December 28th, 2021, 8:41 pm

EricPH wrote: ↑December 28th, 2021, 2:48 pm
Change your wish to a good god and not an evil Jesus/Yahweh/genocidal combo.

Ther morals suck.

The Bible has about two thousand passages that refer to justice for the poor, the refugees, widows and orphans. It talks about helping others. If you can't see this, then maybe look at your morals.

EricPH wrote: ↑December 31st, 2021, 9:20 am

Greatest I am wrote: ↑December 28th, 2021, 8:41 pm

EricPH wrote: ↑December 28th, 2021, 2:48 pm
Change your wish to a good god and not an evil Jesus/Yahweh/genocidal combo.

Ther morals suck.

The Bible has about two thousand passages that refer to justice for the poor, the refugees, widows and orphans. It talks about helping others. If you can't see this, then maybe look at your morals.

I see it. It does not negate the evilness of the god you favor.

If hypocritical Christians ever had the balls to analyse Christianity's love of a genocidal prick, homophobia and misogyny, they would learn morals and become Gnostic Christians.

Christianity was a decent creed, but stupid supernatural fears now control their corrupted minds.

Any religion that has a father hate his gays or female children is a devil's religion based on evil.

Prove me wrong.

Regards
DL

Greatest I am wrote: ↑December 31st, 2021, 1:04 pm
If hypocritical Christians ever had the balls to analyse Christianity's love of a genocidal prick, homophobia and misogyny,
DL

they would learn morals and become Gnostic Christians.

EricPH wrote: ↑January 5th, 2022, 8:33 am

Greatest I am wrote: ↑December 31st, 2021, 1:04 pm
If hypocritical Christians ever had the balls to analyse Christianity's love of a genocidal prick, homophobia and misogyny,
DL

Anyone who has an opinion about the nature of God could be called a theologian. It has been said that a theologian often reveals more about their own nature than they do about God.

they would learn morals and become Gnostic Christians.

mmmmmmmmmmmmm.