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chewybrian wrote:It was a great time for music and culture in general.

Yes, although we often tend to see the period of our youth as the golden time for for culture. Hence Papus79 (who I suspect was born in '79) apparently doesn't agree with some of the older posters about Prog Rock!

My teenage years were mostly the '80s. So, although I like music from a lot of different periods, it's the music that I like from that period that I'm most emotionally attached to. The Smiths were my thing in the '80s, along with various other '80s bands.

Sculptor1 wrote:"Comes Alive" - possibly the best live album in the world.

Yes, I think for most people over the age of about 50 (at least in a particular culture) it's known as the archetypal great live album.

Steve3007 wrote: ↑July 11th, 2020, 7:08 am

Sculptor1 wrote:"Comes Alive" - possibly the best live album in the world.

Yes, I think for most people over the age of about 50 (at least in a particular culture) it's known as the archetypal great live album.

Every time I hear is, it drags me kicking a screaming right back to the middle of the 1970s, with all the thoughts and feelings of adolescence.

I've probably listened to this album more than any other, at least twice a year since it was issued.

Papus79 wrote: ↑July 11th, 2020, 7:09 am

Gospel sinks, and so does Rap.
The only way it gets worse than this is Country and Western.

Sculptor1 wrote: ↑July 11th, 2020, 6:02 am

Greta wrote: ↑July 10th, 2020, 7:09 pm

James Taylor live with Steve Gadd on drums. No machine can capture what Steve Gadd did in this with tension and release that that nothing to do with athlectic prowess.

Drum machines are overused in popular music for financial and logistical reasons. The machines have their ideal applications (I use them at times, myself) but economic rationalisation, not taste, has driven their spread. A good drummer with a feel for the music craps on any drum machine from a great height in most music. Alas, as people's ears are conditioned to the machine beats all around them today they become ever less adept at telling the difference.

Machines leave me cold.
I have a Slingerland, and a Roland electronic kit. I'd prefer the Slingerland everytime, but the Roland has more sounds and you can TURN IT DOWN - so great for practice.
Roland have done what they can to read the pressure on the skin from the stick but the dynamic range simply cannot be matched by a real skin on a real drum.
But at least you can be in the moment with the Roland and offer a live performance.
Since my neck cancer I've not played, though. the kits are in the loft, must do something with them.

Sorry to hear about the cancer. That's hard.

I always liked Slingerland drums. I had a Rogers kit for years but these days I have a set of Gurus - all woodgrain - as non-machine as you can get. I had a set of e-drums when they first came out. Forgot the brand. I never liked them much, aside from haunting Billy Hyde's shops (back when one could) to play on the Rolands and Yamaha e-kits with cans on, which was always fun. I've played along with machines on some songs here and there. Sometimes it sounds better than if it was just me, sometimes not. I'm no idealist, but my ears definitely prefer more organic sounds.

Greta wrote: ↑July 11th, 2020, 9:15 am

Sculptor1 wrote: ↑July 11th, 2020, 6:02 am
Machines leave me cold.
I have a Slingerland, and a Roland electronic kit. I'd prefer the Slingerland everytime, but the Roland has more sounds and you can TURN IT DOWN - so great for practice.
Roland have done what they can to read the pressure on the skin from the stick but the dynamic range simply cannot be matched by a real skin on a real drum.
But at least you can be in the moment with the Roland and offer a live performance.
Since my neck cancer I've not played, though. the kits are in the loft, must do something with them.

Sorry to hear about the cancer. That's hard.

I always liked Slingerland drums. I had a Rogers kit for years but these days I have a set of Gurus - all woodgrain - as non-machine as you can get. I had a set of e-drums when they first came out. Forgot the brand. I never liked them much, aside from haunting Billy Hyde's shops (back when one could) to play on the Rolands and Yamaha e-kits with cans on, which was always fun. I've played along with machines on some songs here and there. Sometimes it sounds better than if it was just me, sometimes not. I'm no idealist, but my ears definitely prefer more organic sounds.

The slingerland is probably from the 1970s, a nice woody sound, with a smaller that usual bass drum.
I looked at Yamaha's and Rolands when I bought my V-drums. The Roland won hands down because the heads are made of mesh, which allows for give that the rubber kits do not.
When recording I tended to use the V drums to the drums sounds but had my Ziljdans, espacially the 20" ride for the beauty of the sound which the machine could not possibly imitate.
Not heard of gurus; they look nice.

Papus79. I hadn't heard of Children of Zeus before taking a look at that song you posted. It's always funny to hear the Manchester accent peaking through.

Steve3007 wrote: ↑July 11th, 2020, 2:52 pm @Papus79. I hadn't heard of Children of Zeus before taking a look at that song you posted. It's always funny to hear the Manchester accent peaking through.

Manchester's been blowing up in terms of talent for the past decade or so with both rap and neosoul. Where it hooks me is they all seem to be Dilla fans so it's mostly real classy 'golden era' moulded.

Sculptor1 wrote: ↑July 11th, 2020, 12:39 pm

Greta wrote: ↑July 11th, 2020, 9:15 am
Sorry to hear about the cancer. That's hard.

I always liked Slingerland drums. I had a Rogers kit for years but these days I have a set of Gurus - all woodgrain - as non-machine as you can get. I had a set of e-drums when they first came out. Forgot the brand. I never liked them much, aside from haunting Billy Hyde's shops (back when one could) to play on the Rolands and Yamaha e-kits with cans on, which was always fun. I've played along with machines on some songs here and there. Sometimes it sounds better than if it was just me, sometimes not. I'm no idealist, but my ears definitely prefer more organic sounds.

The slingerland is probably from the 1970s, a nice woody sound, with a smaller that usual bass drum.
I looked at Yamaha's and Rolands when I bought my V-drums. The Roland won hands down because the heads are made of mesh, which allows for give that the rubber kits do not.
When recording I tended to use the V drums to the drums sounds but had my Ziljdans, espacially the 20" ride for the beauty of the sound which the machine could not possibly imitate.
Not heard of gurus; they look nice.

The Gurus were my retirement present to myself. Rolands feel better to play because of the mesh heads (a bass drum on a T20 felt better than any real bass drum I'd played). But, for the price, the Yammies had a better range of sound IMO. Roland always charged a bomb. Interesting that Roland have been the biggest drum manufacturer for some years now, selling more an any acoustic drum manufacturer. Before populations grew to our current unsustainable levels, many more people lived far enough from each other to be able to practice acoustic musical instruments without too much drama with neighbours. Now that the growing hordes have been crammed together, lifestyles have been diminished for all but cosmopolitan socialite types.