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Viswa_01210 wrote: ↑January 31st, 2023, 6:06 am One doesn't believe the Existence of "All-Knowing" God alone, think about these "Justice, Criminals, Etc". If One truly believes in God's Existence "Witnessing everything and knows when to do and where to and to whom to do", never thinks about these and leave it to God to take care.

Believe in God, as Bible/Theistic Religion preaches. Or Be a Monk as Buddha, with deep insight upon Karma and Rebirths..

Everything happening accurately as it has to be happened. Like Marvel's TVA, God appointed Beings (like Jehovah-Indra-Sun-Saturn-Moon, all Devas and Angels, and Gods like Brahma Vishnu Rudra) takes care that right action happens at right place at right time, including this conversation of ours. No Good or Bad Here. Just Dwell in One Presence (Nothingness) and Nothing else to think. That's Truth. Nothing to Worry/Praise-Worthy/Magnificent/Beautiful/Painful here to think/desire here. Just "Peace".

Compassion is a key component of getting in tune with the divine nature of the Universe for not only Christianity and Buddhism but also for Taoism and Chinese mythology and culture as a whole.

Belindi wrote: ↑January 31st, 2023, 6:39 am "Leave it to God to take care" is advice that is useful for the powerful to keep the powerless in submission. You are the hands of God in this world and it is your duty to protect the powerless.

Okay. I have a question here. How does the "powerless" are really examind? Only by the actions are present or also by the past bad actions done by then?

Say, a Thief steals things before. He secured many Bad Karmas in his account. But now, he is powerless. Now, it is his time for the bad Karmic arrows to return and experience. Whether to let the Bad Karmas of his, attack himself, or to save him even though he steal and been bad before?

Viswa_01210 wrote: ↑January 31st, 2023, 6:46 am

Belindi wrote: ↑January 31st, 2023, 6:39 am "Leave it to God to take care" is advice that is useful for the powerful to keep the powerless in submission. You are the hands of God in this world and it is your duty to protect the powerless.

Okay. I have a question here. How does the "powerless" are really examind? Only by the actions are present or also by the past bad actions done by then?

Say, a Thief steals things before. He secured many Bad Karmas in his account. But now, he is powerless. Now, it is his time for the bad Karmic arrows to return and experience. Whether to let the Bad Karmas of his, attack himself, or to save him even though he steal and been bad before?

This is nothing to do with you! You shouldn't judge at all, that is, probably your problem.

Belindi wrote: ↑January 31st, 2023, 6:39 am
"Leave it to God to take care" is advice that is useful for the powerful to keep the powerless in submission. You are the hands of God in this world and it is your duty to protect the powerless.

Also, God knows through whom the karmic effects have to happen. God knows whether it is through Viswa or through Belindi, to protect whom and whom-not. Even if Viswa desires to protect all (even though people did bad deeds before and powerless now), God will not make it happen until the right time comes.Even in time of Jesus, only few powerless was helped but not all.Even if Buddha alive, he will be only as Monk and help only those whose time has come to be helped. That's how Shirdi Sai lived. Monks and Enlightened Beings lived.

Time is major factor. Also Knowledge about each and everyone's Past Karmas is really important. Just because one is powerless, doesn't mean they has to be immediately protected. Help will reach them at right time. God knows, and through Viswa/Belindi/X/Y/Z, he makes it happen.

Stoppelmann wrote: ↑January 31st, 2023, 6:48 am
This is nothing to do with you! You shouldn't judge at all, that is, probably your problem.

Yup. That's why, Just dwell in God and leave it to God. Never have to think about Powerless or Powerful, God knows and Judges when to render hand. He will make it happen at right time, even if Belindi's Compassion or Viswa's Desires fail to do so.

Stoppelmann wrote: ↑January 31st, 2023, 6:46 am Compassion is a key component of getting in tune with the divine nature of the Universe for not only Christianity and Buddhism but also for Taoism and Chinese mythology and culture as a whole.

I don't know what you really mean by Compassion here. What the religion speak, as I understood, is to serve food to needy. Not to fight a war against powerful in the name of Compassion. Ahimsa, they advocate as you said in another thread. Isn't it?

Viswa_01210 wrote: ↑January 31st, 2023, 7:01 am

Stoppelmann wrote: ↑January 31st, 2023, 6:46 am Compassion is a key component of getting in tune with the divine nature of the Universe for not only Christianity and Buddhism but also for Taoism and Chinese mythology and culture as a whole.

I don't know what you really mean by Compassion here. What the religion speak, as I understood, is to serve food to needy. Not to fight a war against powerful in the name of Compassion. Ahimsa, they advocate as you said in another thread. Isn't it?

You don't know? I'm sure you do, but I see little compassion in your judgement, especially of women.

Stoppelmann wrote: ↑January 31st, 2023, 7:06 am
You don't know? I'm sure you do, but I see little compassion in your judgement, especially of women.

I do have. It's not my judgement, but only represented what Religious scriptures pointed out.

Only out of Compassion, I ask women to not seek worldly things but Truth. Not just to Woman, but to everyone, I am here to point out to seek God again and again. Nothing here is worthy/reality to change/seek.

If Woman wants to seek God and ready to adhere to religions until reaching God, then I am here to take sword and fight for them. I have no hesitation, and I would be the first person standing in front line ready to die for them if they seek God. But, if Woman wants to seek everything as Man wants, then sorry. I can't. Even God won't help with that, and let woman create their own rules and deviate from Religion like Satan. They are free to do it.

A leave-it-to-karma approach means that laws are pointless, and we return to the law of the jungle. Then, of course, some religious leader will decide to make exceptions and mete out Earthly punishments for the faithless while leaving other punishments to their deity.

Religions are now so toxic and problematic in so many ways that its seems the only solution is complete disbandment. However, religion has something in its favour; it distracts leaders with superstitious nonsense to the point where they can only consider their ideologies in simplistic, childish ways.

By contrast, the CCP shows what politicians can do when they are not distracted and achieve a laser focus on their ideology. At this point, the ideology and leader become quasi-religious, so focused on imposing their ideology that people cannot escape its grip.

Viswa_01210 wrote: ↑January 31st, 2023, 7:19 am

Stoppelmann wrote: ↑January 31st, 2023, 7:06 am
You don't know? I'm sure you do, but I see little compassion in your judgement, especially of women.

I do have. It's not my judgement, but only represented what Religious scriptures pointed out.

Only out of Compassion, I ask women to not seek worldly things but Truth. Not just to Woman, but to everyone, I am here to point out to seek God again and again. Nothing here is worthy/reality to change/seek.

If Woman wants to seek God and ready to adhere to religions until reaching God, then I am here to take sword and fight for them. I have no hesitation, and I would be the first person standing in front line ready to die for them if they seek God. But, if Woman wants to seek everything as Man wants, then sorry. I can't. Even God won't help with that, and let woman create their own rules and deviate from Religion like Satan. They are free to do it.

Satan supports freedom and autonomy then! Deviance is better than blind obedience to a tyrannical God.

Belindi wrote: ↑January 31st, 2023, 7:23 pm

Viswa_01210 wrote: ↑January 31st, 2023, 7:19 am

Stoppelmann wrote: ↑January 31st, 2023, 7:06 am
You don't know? I'm sure you do, but I see little compassion in your judgement, especially of women.

I do have. It's not my judgement, but only represented what Religious scriptures pointed out.

Only out of Compassion, I ask women to not seek worldly things but Truth. Not just to Woman, but to everyone, I am here to point out to seek God again and again. Nothing here is worthy/reality to change/seek.

If Woman wants to seek God and ready to adhere to religions until reaching God, then I am here to take sword and fight for them. I have no hesitation, and I would be the first person standing in front line ready to die for them if they seek God. But, if Woman wants to seek everything as Man wants, then sorry. I can't. Even God won't help with that, and let woman create their own rules and deviate from Religion like Satan. They are free to do it.

Satan supports freedom and autonomy then! Deviance is better than blind obedience to a tyrannical God.

Especially one that is purely the invention of tyrannical people.

The Iron Age is over. Ancient deities once performed their function, mainly to keep wild tribal people from destroying each other. This is the Information Age and we don't need the mindless edicts of primitive people driving our societies. We need logic, innovation and an appreciation that the Sun and the Earth are our creators. Oh, and our families and societies. But not some ancient phantasm that makes illogical and occasionally toxic edicts.

Belindi wrote: ↑January 31st, 2023, 7:23 pm
Satan supports freedom and autonomy then! Deviance is better than blind obedience to a tyrannical God.

Sy Borg wrote: ↑January 31st, 2023, 10:52 pm
Especially one that is purely the invention of tyrannical people.

The Iron Age is over. Ancient deities once performed their function, mainly to keep wild tribal people from destroying each other. This is the Information Age and we don't need the mindless edicts of primitive people driving our societies. We need logic, innovation and an appreciation that the Sun and the Earth are our creators. Oh, and our families and societies. But not some ancient phantasm that makes illogical and occasionally toxic edicts.

I can understand what you point out. People do suffer. People do cry out loud out of agony. People fear that couldn't achive anything desired due to Religious dominance.I feel I had been in this stage too, maybe in this life and/or at previous. But, a miracle happened to me, to not trust 'sensual experience' as Knowledge.

Instead of all the above saying, shall we say like, Trust upon God is over, and this era is Trust upon Sensual Experience? Shall we say, We are in an era to only trust Sensual Knowledge but not Knowledge/Insight?

One thing what I am curious bout is, You may do all these stuffs. Do it like Krishnamurti. Do it like Reforms who don't put God infront of their works. Do it like Buddha like he thrown out Vedic Rituals. Do it like many other, who do it as they do it on their own, but not introduce name of God. Even you may do it in the name of Satan, as you indicated Freedom and Autonomy.

But, doing it in the name of God, even Jesus won't accept it. It's not quite in line with what God tries to point out. You may be attached to the world, but please don't introduce name of God before that. It would be more better.

Or else, you are the one who are creating a Blind Obedience, by using the name of God.

Whatever God preaches as Religion, etc., is only for Good deeds and attain him at last by doing that. Not about Reforming things. You may think they are not words of God and Fake Priests could have introduced those. But, really, in my Knowledge, they are not. If it is, Interlink between them would have been cut down and so someone would have looked different. But, nothing to me looks different, and everywhere preaches same thing, to not attach to the worldly desires. Mainly, to not trust Sensual Knowledge. I do have an insight to that, and wish you the same for that.

My advice, Do what you want to do (or most of the people wants), in your own name (like Jiddu Krishnamurti). You are free to use it. But, please don't use name of God. It only accumulates Bad Karmas.

All the Best.

Got to Go.

Bye.

Sy Borg wrote: ↑January 31st, 2023, 4:19 pm A leave-it-to-karma approach means that laws are pointless, and we return to the law of the jungle. Then, of course, some religious leader will decide to make exceptions and mete out Earthly punishments for the faithless while leaving other punishments to their deity.

Religions are now so toxic and problematic in so many ways that its seems the only solution is complete disbandment. However, religion has something in its favour; it distracts leaders with superstitious nonsense to the point where they can only consider their ideologies in simplistic, childish ways.

By contrast, the CCP shows what politicians can do when they are not distracted and achieve a laser focus on their ideology. At this point, the ideology and leader become quasi-religious, so focused on imposing their ideology that people cannot escape its grip.

I don't argue with your main theme here; it is clearly reflecting your own personal prejudices, but that's OK. But I do suggest that religion, to the extent that it was toxic in the past, is less toxic than in past times. The benefits of religion, and they are real, are not affected by this. It's the negative aspects that need improvement, and in this, religion is exactly the same as any other human undertaking. But I think things, religion-wise, are better than they used to be, not worse, as your words seem to imply.

Viswa wrote:

Or else, you are the one who are creating a Blind Obedience, by using the name of God.

You must be unaware that God is another name, a personalisation, of the cardinal virtues of good, beauty, and truth. To presume to know God is idolatry.

Too much accord is given to this particular Iron Age deity, but it perhaps a helpful distraction from ideologies, which can be even more problematic due to their relatively shallow roots.

Individuals can commune with God because God is entirely subjective. That's not to say God doesn't exist, but God is clearly entirely a subjective phenomenon. That's why theists should never try to bring their deity into the greater world. IMO societies are better off when they use pragmatism, reason and commonsense rather than dogmas and ideologies. When religions are given power, we see the results.