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[Viswa_01210]

No where scriptures speak about "Any Experience" (Be Spiritual/Transcental/Psychic), but only about "Knowledge". Know Know Know Know.

I accept that Knowing comes 'through' Experience. But, "Experience" is not cause of Knowledge, but one's seriousness to End sufferings and Attain Peace and Know Truth and BE with it ALWAYS.

Experience are just MEANS, and never important.

[Belindi]

But feeling is not the same as believing. While you can be certain you feel pain, or that you love God, or that women should obey their husbands, you can't be certain what caused your pain, or what God means for other people, or that women are what you feel they are.

True that I can't be certain what God means for other people. But, one can be certain of what caused Pain. If one is not serious to know what caused pain because of fear to access pain to go through that pain again, then one shall come to an ignorant conclusion that "one can't be certain what caused one's pain". But, It's always easy to find out and be certain if one wish to know that seriously.

Also, One can understand about Women too.

See, to me, One can come to certainty about Everything, if one seriously put one's time upon that to know what it is. I will reply to that three delphic maxims in my next reply, not attacking that but I can see what it truly means and explain it exactly what it implies.

You may be 99.9% certain of what caused your pain, but there is always the possibility that you are deluded.

Your may have collected much evidence that women are as you say they are but there is always the possibility that you don't possess all the possible evidence about the nature of women.

[Viswa_01210]

You may be 99.9% certain of what caused your pain, but there is always the possibility that you are deluded.

Your may have collected much evidence that women are as you say they are but there is always the possibility that you don't possess all the possible evidence about the nature of women.

Hmm.. Let it be.
Yeah, I shall be deluded too.. Let it be.
Let Woman be in the way I understood or not. Let Men or Animals or Plants or the World or Universe be in a way I understood or Not.
I'm not interested in those. As it is asked why Religions impose strictness upon Woman and Slaves, I expressed those, and I see that Religious People/Sages (or Jesus) who composed those are not deluded/fools/Evidence-less/Stereotype Ones.
I respect Woman and not against them, let them be like Sita of Ramayana or Mary of Bible or some Woman indicated in Yoga Vasistha's stories (Lila/Virochana/Chudala/etc.), or let them be like Desirous Divorcing Nature. I'm not much Knowledgable about Nature/Universe/any person/any Beings, but I strongly see the right reason behind Religious Scriptures. I Respect all the way it is (Be Gods/Goddess or Satan/Witch) and I'm not Interested in them but only interested about God/Brahman/Truth who dwells within Everyone/Every being/Whole Universe/Whole Worlds (even within Satan/Hell).

But, Thanks. As pointed out by the members here and in the 3rd Delphic Maxim "Certainty, brings Ruin", I only "Know Myself" and feel "Nothing in Excess" but feel only 95% Certainty and have to increase it to it's fullest (2 Completed - 1 more to Go). Like how this Big Bang happens, thouso to be Steady at any imagined Action/Inaction - creation/destruction (without Desires-Attachments-Aversion-Ignorance).

If there is any doubts upon any Religious Scripture's Inhumane/Baseless things, let me know, I will share what I understood as the reason behind it, and it's upto you to take it or leave it - to go with what suits you - as this World is Free for Everyone to desire anything they want including Humanity/Inhumanity Peace/War Mother Teresa/Hitler. If they have freedom, then forums/members/ignorant disciples also have freedom to delude themselves in the name of "God/Humanity/Revolution/etc." and have freedom to lead the life/world whatever way they want to (either Be with God always or Be not Always - free to decide any in the name of God). Isn't it?

Thanks for these awakenings. Sorry if made you angry/frustrated.

[Stoppelmann]

Yeah, that's my ignorance arising time to time. I accept it, and it shows I'm not entirely free. I feel it's not about certainty (meaning I'm totally certain with those words I said), but still caught in dreams of duality desiring it. I can see I'm "out there on my own", but also dreaming as Many and learning to cut off that dreaming desired entirely. I can see dream as not real, though I caught in dreams. Whenever I point 'you/Belindi/etc.' - I can see that they are my own imaginations, but I'm here to learn through my imaginations now to totally stop desiring any imaginations furthur.

At least you admit that you, like us all, experience ignorance rising from time to time.

I appreciate your understanding. But, I have a doubt here. If God is what we are, then how can we move/live/die? How come these things actually happen, if Only One is there? If live/movement happens, then it has to be duality. Without Dual/second, no movement can happen. As One only present, there cannot be a Space to move as One is Present everywhere, so no life/death/movement can happen actually.

This is only down to your being stuck in duality, which means that life and death are absolutes and not phases of a process. It is also down to your restricted view of God, which you think you can imagine, but the fact that religions across the planet have either refused to talk of God, or have said God is the underlying ground of being, or is ineffable, or invisible, shows that every adjective is speculative, and a metaphor at best, and indication of what is there but not seen.

Mary chosen to be With God always. But, Martha was caught in desires. If Martha was very sure that "only one thing is necessary", she would have cooked herself with her thought always occupied with God, and not think about "What Mary doing/etc.". That's what Jesus implied "Only One thing is Necessary" - to never think about some other(materials/persons/etc.), but only be with God in thought-actions. Dwelling in thought of "What Mary does now? Why don't she come and help me? Am I not struggling alone here and need an helping hand?", is just moving away from "One" to "Many" thoughts.

I don’t believe that Mary never thought about other things, but that in that particular situation only one thing was necessary. It was appropriate, and what Martha was doing was not, but Jesus knew she was doing it with conviction – not desire. She wanted to provide a service, to do something, but Jesus told her that it was time to be something, namely attentive.

Many women have many worries, and bless them all, they are doing what they can. If they would take the time to be attentive, they would feel that they were selfish, just like Martha thought of Mary, but Jesus says that there is a time to be selfish, to sit down and attend to their soul.

[Viswa_01210]

Yeah, that's my ignorance arising time to time. I accept it, and it shows I'm not entirely free. I feel it's not about certainty (meaning I'm totally certain with those words I said), but still caught in dreams of duality desiring it. I can see I'm "out there on my own", but also dreaming as Many and learning to cut off that dreaming desired entirely. I can see dream as not real, though I caught in dreams. Whenever I point 'you/Belindi/etc.' - I can see that they are my own imaginations, but I'm here to learn through my imaginations now to totally stop desiring any imaginations furthur.

At least you admit that you, like us all, experience ignorance rising from time to time.

Yup. But also in a pursuit to never be Ignorant at any time.

I appreciate your understanding. But, I have a doubt here. If God is what we are, then how can we move/live/die? How come these things actually happen, if Only One is there? If live/movement happens, then it has to be duality. Without Dual/second, no movement can happen. As One only present, there cannot be a Space to move as One is Present everywhere, so no life/death/movement can happen actually.

This is only down to your being stuck in duality, which means that life and death are absolutes and not phases of a process. It is also down to your restricted view of God, which you think you can imagine, but the fact that religions across the planet have either refused to talk of God, or have said God is the underlying ground of being, or is ineffable, or invisible, shows that every adjective is speculative, and a metaphor at best, and indication of what is there but not seen.

Yup, I stuck in duality out of Imagination-Ignorance. That's what the 5% uncertainty I was pointing in my previous post.

But, Life-Death Absolute or Phases of Process, I won't say so. Only God is Absolute.

I stick with Yoga Vasishta - Vedanta, which on one hand says God is the Only Being and nothing else. I hadn't made any view myself, but only reflected the sayings of Yoga Vasishta.
Also in Bhagavat Gita, there is a verse saying "God is in Everything, Everything is in God, Nothing is in God". First two are steps to step one by one and reach the Truth "Nothing is in God - Life/Death/Any Matter".

Never I had said any view of my own, but only out of understanding those scriptures. I just reveal the highest Truth said in scriptures, but if you don't want to hear those, nothing wrong. If you want to hate me for revealing those, let it be. Nothing wrong. Do whatever you want.

Mary chosen to be With God always. But, Martha was caught in desires. If Martha was very sure that "only one thing is necessary", she would have cooked herself with her thought always occupied with God, and not think about "What Mary doing/etc.". That's what Jesus implied "Only One thing is Necessary" - to never think about some other(materials/persons/etc.), but only be with God in thought-actions. Dwelling in thought of "What Mary does now? Why don't she come and help me? Am I not struggling alone here and need an helping hand?", is just moving away from "One" to "Many" thoughts.

I don’t believe that Mary never thought about other things, but that in that particular situation only one thing was necessary. It was appropriate, and what Martha was doing was not, but Jesus knew she was doing it with conviction – not desire. She wanted to provide a service, to do something, but Jesus told her that it was time to be something, namely attentive.

Many women have many worries, and bless them all, they are doing what they can. If they would take the time to be attentive, they would feel that they were selfish, just like Martha thought of Mary, but Jesus says that there is a time to be selfish, to sit down and attend to their soul.

Yeah. They do what they can. I respect, not just them but all beings doing what they can for whatever they are desired/convicted.

I just reveal what Scriptures point out, and never hate Martha or never Praise Mary. Scriptures says to fix One's Mind only upon God and nothing else, and that's what I spoke about. But, as everyone is free to do whatever they want, let people do whatever.

If someone wants to blame those scriptures, let them do. If someone wants to not blame those but only to understand them and then decide what to do, then I'm here to share what I understood. If one doesn't want me here to share those too but only to outcast those scriptures, to stick to 21st Century, then one is free to do that.

Before, Story of Viswa was like to get frustrated if someone hates/blame scriptures for 'this/that' (Be it Jiddu Krishnamurti or Forums), and try to show that Scriptures are truly insightful. But, hereafter, there not gonna be frustration in Viswa's story even if someone throws stone upon scriptures and foolishly stand against any word said. That's what they desire for, so be it. If God can witness those without Frustration, why can't Viswa?.

To Fix the Mind upon God, and not attach upon any action imagined, is what Viswa upto now, and ask your blessings for that.

Thanks. Sorry again.

[Belindi]

You may be 99.9% certain of what caused your pain, but there is always the possibility that you are deluded.

Your may have collected much evidence that women are as you say they are but there is always the possibility that you don't possess all the possible evidence about the nature of women.

Hmm.. Let it be.
Yeah, I shall be deluded too.. Let it be.
Let Woman be in the way I understood or not. Let Men or Animals or Plants or the World or Universe be in a way I understood or Not.
I'm not interested in those. As it is asked why Religions impose strictness upon Woman and Slaves, I expressed those, and I see that Religious People/Sages (or Jesus) who composed those are not deluded/fools/Evidence-less/Stereotype Ones.
I respect Woman and not against them, let them be like Sita of Ramayana or Mary of Bible or some Woman indicated in Yoga Vasistha's stories (Lila/Virochana/Chudala/etc.), or let them be like Desirous Divorcing Nature. I'm not much Knowledgable about Nature/Universe/any person/any Beings, but I strongly see the right reason behind Religious Scriptures. I Respect all the way it is (Be Gods/Goddess or Satan/Witch) and I'm not Interested in them but only interested about God/Brahman/Truth who dwells within Everyone/Every being/Whole Universe/Whole Worlds (even within Satan/Hell).

But, Thanks. As pointed out by the members here and in the 3rd Delphic Maxim "Certainty, brings Ruin", I only "Know Myself" and feel "Nothing in Excess" but feel only 95% Certainty and have to increase it to it's fullest (2 Completed - 1 more to Go). Like how this Big Bang happens, thouso to be Steady at any imagined Action/Inaction - creation/destruction (without Desires-Attachments-Aversion-Ignorance).

If there is any doubts upon any Religious Scripture's Inhumane/Baseless things, let me know, I will share what I understood as the reason behind it, and it's upto you to take it or leave it - to go with what suits you - as this World is Free for Everyone to desire anything they want including Humanity/Inhumanity Peace/War Mother Teresa/Hitler. If they have freedom, then forums/members/ignorant disciples also have freedom to delude themselves in the name of "God/Humanity/Revolution/etc." and have freedom to lead the life/world whatever way they want to (either Be with God always or Be not Always - free to decide any in the name of God). Isn't it?

Thanks for these awakenings. Sorry if made you angry/frustrated.

I don't know what your religious sect is named. It seems to be a sort of politicised Hindu sect. I say "politicised" because to deprive women of the rights that their menfolk have is a way to make men politically superior to women. When women lack the same rights as men , women sometimes suffer from bad husbands, brothers, or fathers who beat them and are otherwise cruel to them.

[Viswa_01210]

I don't know what your religious sect is named. It seems to be a sort of politicised Hindu sect. I say "politicised" because to deprive women of the rights that their menfolk have is a way to make men politically superior to women. When women lack the same rights as men , women sometimes suffer from bad husbands, brothers, or fathers who beat them and are otherwise cruel to them.

It's not about depriving. You see, what Woman asks as a right is, "Men suffer of their egoistic desires, and we want to go out and grow such desires and suffer too". Woman think that Men are really happy when go out, but it isn't so. Even a King, when his face his recognised and Big Fame he gets, and has the ability to go wherever he wants, really not happy but suffer of the activities he choses.

Why Hindu/Muslim/etc. sects asks Woman to be within, is not to suffer like Men but seek God and be Peaceful always. But, Woman presume it in a wrong way, and think it as a Dominance. It's like, "You are going to Hell daily and being happy, and we want to go to hell in same way and ultimately suffer as you do". In this pursuit, many children are left out to be raised under Mother's Care, and take up Drugs/etc., for happiness. Children mostly hear only Mother's words, and as Mother fail to raise them carefully because of their "wanting equal rights as Men" - Children are slipping into those stuffs.

Also, when Woman seek to go out like Men, then they should not blame Society for Sexual Harassment. Society cannot give security for every woman for Men"s desires, and so Religions perceived that issue and asked them to be in secured place and seek the "Real Happiness" to be soughted and not struggle like Men.

I can point out more if you wish, but it's upto you, and also you are free to take those or leave those.

Also, I'm against disrespecting Woman. I respect every woman. Man should respect every woman even if they are asked to be at Home. Man should treat Woman like God, and satisfy their good needs as serving God. Woman are the first respectable being in this world, and the one to be protected more than anything in this world for better society.

[Viswa_01210]

I don't know what your religious sect is named. It seems to be a sort of politicised Hindu sect. I say "politicised" because to deprive women of the rights that their menfolk have is a way to make men politically superior to women. When women lack the same rights as men , women sometimes suffer from bad husbands, brothers, or fathers who beat them and are otherwise cruel to them.

It's not about depriving. You see, what Woman asks as a right is, "Men suffer of their egoistic desires, and we want to go out and grow such desires and suffer too". Woman think that Men are really happy when go out, but it isn't so. Even a King, when his face his recognised and Big Fame he gets, and has the ability to go wherever he wants, really not happy but suffer of the activities he choses.

Why Hindu/Muslim/etc. sects asks Woman to be within, is not to suffer like Men but seek God and be Peaceful always. But, Woman presume it in a wrong way, and think it as a Dominance. It's like, "You are going to Hell daily and being happy, and we want to go to hell in same way and ultimately suffer as you do". In this pursuit, many children are left out to be raised under Mother's Care, and take up Drugs/etc., for happiness. Children mostly hear only Mother's words, and as Mother fail to raise them carefully because of their "wanting equal rights as Men" - Children are slipping into those stuffs.

Also, when Woman seek to go out like Men, then they should not blame Society for Sexual Harassment. Society cannot give security for every woman for Men"s desires, and so Religions perceived that issue and asked them to be in secured place and seek the "Real Happiness" to be soughted and not struggle like Men.

I can point out more if you wish, but it's upto you, and also you are free to take those or leave those.

Also, I'm against disrespecting Woman. I respect every woman. Man should respect every woman even if they are asked to be at Home. Man should treat Woman like God, and satisfy their good needs as serving God. Woman are the first respectable being in this world, and the one to be protected more than anything in this world for better society.

There was a quoting-editing issue in above reply, please read it carefully.
First Belindi wrote, "I don't know what your religious sect is named.....them and are otherwise cruel to them."
Then, Viswa wrote, "It's not about depriving......for better society."

[Belindi]

I don't know what your religious sect is named. It seems to be a sort of politicised Hindu sect. I say "politicised" because to deprive women of the rights that their menfolk have is a way to make men politically superior to women. When women lack the same rights as men , women sometimes suffer from bad husbands, brothers, or fathers who beat them and are otherwise cruel to them.

It's not about depriving. You see, what Woman asks as a right is, "Men suffer of their egoistic desires, and we want to go out and grow such desires and suffer too". Woman think that Men are really happy when go out, but it isn't so. Even a King, when his face his recognised and Big Fame he gets, and has the ability to go wherever he wants, really not happy but suffer of the activities he choses.

Why Hindu/Muslim/etc. sects asks Woman to be within, is not to suffer like Men but seek God and be Peaceful always. But, Woman presume it in a wrong way, and think it as a Dominance. It's like, "You are going to Hell daily and being happy, and we want to go to hell in same way and ultimately suffer as you do". In this pursuit, many children are left out to be raised under Mother's Care, and take up Drugs/etc., for happiness. Children mostly hear only Mother's words, and as Mother fail to raise them carefully because of their "wanting equal rights as Men" - Children are slipping into those stuffs.

Also, when Woman seek to go out like Men, then they should not blame Society for Sexual Harassment. Society cannot give security for every woman for Men"s desires, and so Religions perceived that issue and asked them to be in secured place and seek the "Real Happiness" to be soughted and not struggle like Men.

I can point out more if you wish, but it's upto you, and also you are free to take those or leave those.

Also, I'm against disrespecting Woman. I respect every woman. Man should respect every woman even if they are asked to be at Home. Man should treat Woman like God, and satisfy their good needs as serving God. Woman are the first respectable being in this world, and the one to be protected more than anything in this world for better society.

There was a quoting-editing issue in above reply, please read it carefully.
First Belindi wrote, "I don't know what your religious sect is named.....them and are otherwise cruel to them."
Then, Viswa wrote, "It's not about depriving......for better society."

Some people love God yet they do not believe God revealed any religious teaching to men.

Your belief that women always be under the tutelage of men would make for a better society if men were always good men. Women are daily beaten to death by a male relative who is unjust and cruel.

[Viswa_01210]

Some people love God yet they do not believe God revealed any religious teaching to men.

Your belief that women always be under the tutelage of men would make for a better society if men were always good men. Women are daily beaten to death by a male relative who is unjust and cruel.

Karma. God/Son is watching everything, and if he let's such things happen means, it is their karmic effects. Those Woman who gets beaten to death, should have done a bad thing before and they have to undergo such hell. No option to escape.

Even if a Woman beats me and I have to live under her tutelage, then it's my karmic effects and I cannot escape it. Under God's witness, every Karmic effects happen accurately as it should, no action takes place without God's witness and without Karma.

People think that they are Good person and any bad thing happens to them is because of 'some other'. They never take time to look at themselves and take responsibility of their own for every action happen upon them.

[Viswa_01210]

Some people love God yet they do not believe God revealed any religious teaching to men.

Your belief that women always be under the tutelage of men would make for a better society if men were always good men. Women are daily beaten to death by a male relative who is unjust and cruel.

If a Good man or bad man coming as their husband, is their own karma.
If a Woman undergoes such torture, she has the right to take it to the King or Priests and ask them to teach her husband. But not to live upon themselves. If they hold on to God and attain peace, even that beating won't be painful. That is the power of God's Bliss (making forget sensual hurts). I had undergone such experience, and if ny sensual pain comes I always go to such Bliss and remain there and such bad karmas don't hurt much.

None can escape karma, but Pain can be escaped by seeking God.
They underestimate the love of God, that's the issue.

[Belindi]

Some people love God yet they do not believe God revealed any religious teaching to men.

Your belief that women always be under the tutelage of men would make for a better society if men were always good men. Women are daily beaten to death by a male relative who is unjust and cruel.

If a Good man or bad man coming as their husband, is their own karma.
If a Woman undergoes such torture, she has the right to take it to the King or Priests and ask them to teach her husband. But not to live upon themselves. If they hold on to God and attain peace, even that beating won't be painful. That is the power of God's Bliss (making forget sensual hurts). I had undergone such experience, and if ny sensual pain comes I always go to such Bliss and remain there and such bad karmas don't hurt much.

None can escape karma, but Pain can be escaped by seeking God.
They underestimate the love of God, that's the issue.

But abused women are afraid to bring these men to justice. Abused women sometimes have dependent children and they endure their family circumstances as they cannot support their own children.
To bring a man to justice costs more money than most women have; the king or the priest however just they be cannot support the woman because the state is a theocracy administered by males.

To tell a victim that their pain can be escaped by seeking God gives criminals and exploiters freedom to keep victimising others such as the poor, the sick, women, and children.

[Viswa_01210]

But abused women are afraid to bring these men to justice. Abused women sometimes have dependent children and they endure their family circumstances as they cannot support their own children.
To bring a man to justice costs more money than most women have; the king or the priest however just they be cannot support the woman because the state is a theocracy administered by males.

Welcome to Kali Yuga. Abused woman's justice comes only at right time, and time delays based on Yugas. Now, Justice cannot come immediately due to dominance of One's bad karma. Due to dominance of Bad Karma, we are born in Kali Yuga. Justice comes late or not even in this life, but only their Children/Grandchildren gets such justice.

Appoint me as the King, I assure you that Justice served immediately. But, people won't. People appoint the King and Priests who benefits them, but not True One. First, in most of the Ministries, Knowledgeable Compassionate Sages were present as Chief, and King consulted him. But, now not. This is Kali Yuga. Seeking Justice here is useless one. Just Seek God. Justice or Injustice, God knows, and will take care according to Karma. One don't have to think bout "Justice or Injustice" but "Just God Alone".

To tell a victim that their pain can be escaped by seeking God gives criminals and exploiters freedom to keep victimising others such as the poor, the sick, women, and children.

Nope. I don't know whether you are aware of Kshatriya Class in one of the 4 classes of Vedic Dharma. Kshatriya/King has the duty to take steps against the criminals and exploiters and look after that Justice is served immediately all over the territory he rules. A True King does that Compassionately accompanied with Knowledge. But, as People don't need such King and as one is born with many accumulated Bad Karmas, such King won't be appointed now. A Nation's King is only based on the Cumulative Karmic Effects of Individual people present there.

Also, the exploitation and Criminals have lot of Good Karma. Whatever thing/action done against them, they use their Power and Wealth and Large Foolish Followers and easily wins the action against them. They will fall but until that falling, they cannot be stopped, and welcome to the true nature of "The World". The World is not Good but has Dark Sides too. It is not Free for Justice PEople alone to live and attain their desires, but also Free for Injustice One to live and attain their desires, though both are limitations.

That's why, "Seek God but not the World".
"You adulterous people, don’t you know that friendship with the world means enmity against God? Therefore, anyone who chooses to be a friend of the world becomes an enemy of God."
James 4:4

To live our life with thought, not upon things in World (Be Justice/Injustice, War/Peace, Humane/Inhumane, Man/Woman, Beauty/Beast), but only Thoughts upon God in whatever action happen around.

[Viswa_01210]

Some people love God yet they do not believe God revealed any religious teaching to men.

Your belief that women always be under the tutelage of men would make for a better society if men were always good men. Women are daily beaten to death by a male relative who is unjust and cruel.

If a Good man or bad man coming as their husband, is their own karma.
If a Woman undergoes such torture, she has the right to take it to the King or Priests and ask them to teach her husband. But not to live upon themselves. If they hold on to God and attain peace, even that beating won't be painful. That is the power of God's Bliss (making forget sensual hurts). I had undergone such experience, and if ny sensual pain comes I always go to such Bliss and remain there and such bad karmas don't hurt much.

None can escape karma, but Pain can be escaped by seeking God.
They underestimate the love of God, that's the issue.

But abused women are afraid to bring these men to justice. Abused women sometimes have dependent children and they endure their family circumstances as they cannot support their own children.
To bring a man to justice costs more money than most women have; the king or the priest however just they be cannot support the woman because the state is a theocracy administered by males.

To tell a victim that their pain can be escaped by seeking God gives criminals and exploiters freedom to keep victimising others such as the poor, the sick, women, and children.

One doesn't believe the Existence of "All-Knowing" God alone, think about these "Justice, Criminals, Etc". If One truly believes in God's Existence "Witnessing everything and knows when to do and where to and to whom to do", never thinks about these and leave it to God to take care.

Believe in God, as Bible/Theistic Religion preaches. Or Be a Monk as Buddha, with deep insight upon Karma and Rebirths..

Everything happening accurately as it has to be happened. Like Marvel's TVA, God appointed Beings (like Jehovah-Indra-Sun-Saturn-Moon, all Devas and Angels, and Gods like Brahma Vishnu Rudra) takes care that right action happens at right place at right time, including this conversation of ours. No Good or Bad Here. Just Dwell in One Presence (Nothingness) and Nothing else to think. That's Truth. Nothing to Worry/Praise-Worthy/Magnificent/Beautiful/Painful here to think/desire here. Just "Peace".

[Belindi]

Some people love God yet they do not believe God revealed any religious teaching to men.

Your belief that women always be under the tutelage of men would make for a better society if men were always good men. Women are daily beaten to death by a male relative who is unjust and cruel.

If a Good man or bad man coming as their husband, is their own karma.
If a Woman undergoes such torture, she has the right to take it to the King or Priests and ask them to teach her husband. But not to live upon themselves. If they hold on to God and attain peace, even that beating won't be painful. That is the power of God's Bliss (making forget sensual hurts). I had undergone such experience, and if ny sensual pain comes I always go to such Bliss and remain there and such bad karmas don't hurt much.

None can escape karma, but Pain can be escaped by seeking God.
They underestimate the love of God, that's the issue.

But abused women are afraid to bring these men to justice. Abused women sometimes have dependent children and they endure their family circumstances as they cannot support their own children.
To bring a man to justice costs more money than most women have; the king or the priest however just they be cannot support the woman because the state is a theocracy administered by males.

To tell a victim that their pain can be escaped by seeking God gives criminals and exploiters freedom to keep victimising others such as the poor, the sick, women, and children.

One doesn't believe the Existence of "All-Knowing" God alone, think about these "Justice, Criminals, Etc". If One truly believes in God's Existence "Witnessing everything and knows when to do and where to and to whom to do", never thinks about these and leave it to God to take care.

Believe in God, as Bible/Theistic Religion preaches. Or Be a Monk as Buddha, with deep insight upon Karma and Rebirths..

Everything happening accurately as it has to be happened. Like Marvel's TVA, God appointed Beings (like Jehovah-Indra-Sun-Saturn-Moon, all Devas and Angels, and Gods like Brahma Vishnu Rudra) takes care that right action happens at right place at right time, including this conversation of ours. No Good or Bad Here. Just Dwell in One Presence (Nothingness) and Nothing else to think. That's Truth. Nothing to Worry/Praise-Worthy/Magnificent/Beautiful/Painful here to think/desire here. Just "Peace".

"Leave it to God to take care" is advice that is useful for the powerful to keep the powerless in submission. You are the hands of God in this world and it is your duty to protect the powerless.