Philosophy Discussion Forums

Sushan wrote: ↑June 27th, 2024, 3:47 pm

Samana Johann wrote: ↑June 27th, 2024, 8:03 am

Sushan wrote: ↑June 26th, 2024, 10:30 am

Samana Johann wrote: ↑June 24th, 2024, 6:52 am Only people who don't overcome things are usually writting (telling) about it, at least publish it.

Don't yours write or tell quickly when someone had stolen your cellphone? What drives?

Maybe a helpful little story: The Healing of the Bull

Thank you for the insight and for sharing "The Healing of the Bull." It's a beautiful and insightful story that highlights the profound ways in which people can process and overcome their struggles.

Isn’t it useful, though, for people who have not yet mastered the art of overcoming their hardships to at least write or talk about their sorrows to someone else? By sharing their grief, they can begin to dissipate it rather than keeping it bottled up inside, which often does more harm than good. Writing and talking about our experiences can help us make sense of them, find support, and ultimately heal. What are your thoughts on this?

Given writing even a book: Such telling might be not effecting a wise friend/teacher, yet will surely increase bad ways of thoughts, anger, fear in many readers, might even spread hatred and at least, instead of sharing pleasing, one shares unpleasant. In cases one might have grown wise, the writer could give sample how to work things out right, yet such sages are merely rare.

Just may good householder think of effect when telling a story of felt injustice or bad she met. Wise people don't look for share of burdens and misery, for what would such change.

In most cases it's somehow done as kind of revenge or to seek ways to foster 'justice' or to blame. It increases unskilled in many ways or simply doesn't get the truth, as bind on one eye.

In this case here, it is sure that having much shame and concern, but that's something already praised in this days...

Your observations about the potential for negative writing to foster unskilled behavior and misunderstandings are valid concerns. The challenge lies in finding ways to express and process negative experiences that promote healing and understanding rather than exacerbating suffering.

Sharing traumatic or negative experiences through writing can indeed affect readers differently. According to social learning theory, people learn behaviors and emotional responses by observing others. If a narrative heavily emphasizes negative emotions without resolution, it may reinforce similar negative emotions in readers. However, narrative therapy suggests that re-authoring one’s story can be a powerful tool for both the writer and readers. By seeing someone else navigate through trauma, readers might find validation and strategies for their own healing.

The concept of catharsis in psychoanalytic theory, proposed by Freud, suggests that expressing emotions can help alleviate psychological tension. However, research shows mixed results on whether venting negative emotions always leads to relief. You rightly point out that focusing solely on negative emotions can lead to rumination and increased distress. Cognitive-behavioral therapy (CBT) highlights the importance of balanced thinking and addressing negative thoughts with constructive strategies.

Your point about sharing as a form of seeking justice or revenge aligns with the concept of secondary gain in psychodynamic theory, where individuals might unconsciously benefit from their symptoms or complaints. Positive psychology, on the other hand, emphasizes the role of sharing stories to build resilience and foster post-traumatic growth. When people share their experiences constructively, it can lead to a greater sense of community and understanding.

In Buddhism, the importance of mindfulness and balanced emotions is emphasized. The practice of "right speech" encourages speaking truthfully, harmoniously, and beneficially. Writing, seen as an extension of speech, should ideally serve to enlighten and heal rather than harm. Buddhism also teaches the importance of acknowledging and letting go of negative emotions through practices such as meditation and mindfulness. This helps to ventilate emotions without perpetuating negative cycles.

I'm interested in your thoughts on how we can encourage more mindful and constructive storytelling. How do you think writers can strike a balance between honestly sharing their struggles and fostering a positive impact on their readers?

One being mindful does not tell stories, good householder, at first place. It's because not doing the task within thecframe of reference, that formations grow and grow. Better to understand well at first, that to share of what's of no benefit and not really true. The consumer forms the market. And reading stories is an enemy of developing mindfulness.

Samana Johann wrote: ↑June 27th, 2024, 7:39 pm

Sushan wrote: ↑June 27th, 2024, 3:47 pm

Samana Johann wrote: ↑June 27th, 2024, 8:03 am

Sushan wrote: ↑June 26th, 2024, 10:30 am

Thank you for the insight and for sharing "The Healing of the Bull." It's a beautiful and insightful story that highlights the profound ways in which people can process and overcome their struggles.

Isn’t it useful, though, for people who have not yet mastered the art of overcoming their hardships to at least write or talk about their sorrows to someone else? By sharing their grief, they can begin to dissipate it rather than keeping it bottled up inside, which often does more harm than good. Writing and talking about our experiences can help us make sense of them, find support, and ultimately heal. What are your thoughts on this?

Given writing even a book: Such telling might be not effecting a wise friend/teacher, yet will surely increase bad ways of thoughts, anger, fear in many readers, might even spread hatred and at least, instead of sharing pleasing, one shares unpleasant. In cases one might have grown wise, the writer could give sample how to work things out right, yet such sages are merely rare.

Just may good householder think of effect when telling a story of felt injustice or bad she met. Wise people don't look for share of burdens and misery, for what would such change.

In most cases it's somehow done as kind of revenge or to seek ways to foster 'justice' or to blame. It increases unskilled in many ways or simply doesn't get the truth, as bind on one eye.

In this case here, it is sure that having much shame and concern, but that's something already praised in this days...

Your observations about the potential for negative writing to foster unskilled behavior and misunderstandings are valid concerns. The challenge lies in finding ways to express and process negative experiences that promote healing and understanding rather than exacerbating suffering.

Sharing traumatic or negative experiences through writing can indeed affect readers differently. According to social learning theory, people learn behaviors and emotional responses by observing others. If a narrative heavily emphasizes negative emotions without resolution, it may reinforce similar negative emotions in readers. However, narrative therapy suggests that re-authoring one’s story can be a powerful tool for both the writer and readers. By seeing someone else navigate through trauma, readers might find validation and strategies for their own healing.

The concept of catharsis in psychoanalytic theory, proposed by Freud, suggests that expressing emotions can help alleviate psychological tension. However, research shows mixed results on whether venting negative emotions always leads to relief. You rightly point out that focusing solely on negative emotions can lead to rumination and increased distress. Cognitive-behavioral therapy (CBT) highlights the importance of balanced thinking and addressing negative thoughts with constructive strategies.

Your point about sharing as a form of seeking justice or revenge aligns with the concept of secondary gain in psychodynamic theory, where individuals might unconsciously benefit from their symptoms or complaints. Positive psychology, on the other hand, emphasizes the role of sharing stories to build resilience and foster post-traumatic growth. When people share their experiences constructively, it can lead to a greater sense of community and understanding.

In Buddhism, the importance of mindfulness and balanced emotions is emphasized. The practice of "right speech" encourages speaking truthfully, harmoniously, and beneficially. Writing, seen as an extension of speech, should ideally serve to enlighten and heal rather than harm. Buddhism also teaches the importance of acknowledging and letting go of negative emotions through practices such as meditation and mindfulness. This helps to ventilate emotions without perpetuating negative cycles.

I'm interested in your thoughts on how we can encourage more mindful and constructive storytelling. How do you think writers can strike a balance between honestly sharing their struggles and fostering a positive impact on their readers?

One being mindful does not tell stories, good householder, at first place. It's because not doing the task within thecframe of reference, that formations grow and grow. Better to understand well at first, that to share of what's of no benefit and not really true. The consumer forms the market. And reading stories is an enemy of developing mindfulness.

When someone writes a memoir to express their hardships and tragedies, it's true that exaggerating and seeking sympathy can be possible motives. Indeed, such stories only thrive if there is an audience that demands them.

However, in a supportive group setting with a guiding leader, the focus is on sharing hardships among individuals who are struggling, without judgment or the need for sympathy. These groups are designed to create a safe space where participants can express their feelings and thoughts openly. The goal is not to gain sympathy but to receive understanding and support.

By sharing your experiences in such a group, others can offer different perspectives and help you reframe your thoughts, which can lighten the emotional burden you're carrying. This kind of mutual support can be incredibly healing and transformative.

What do you think about this approach?

Sushan wrote: ↑June 27th, 2024, 9:29 pm

Samana Johann wrote: ↑June 27th, 2024, 7:39 pm

Sushan wrote: ↑June 27th, 2024, 3:47 pm

Samana Johann wrote: ↑June 27th, 2024, 8:03 am
Given writing even a book: Such telling might be not effecting a wise friend/teacher, yet will surely increase bad ways of thoughts, anger, fear in many readers, might even spread hatred and at least, instead of sharing pleasing, one shares unpleasant. In cases one might have grown wise, the writer could give sample how to work things out right, yet such sages are merely rare.

Just may good householder think of effect when telling a story of felt injustice or bad she met. Wise people don't look for share of burdens and misery, for what would such change.

In most cases it's somehow done as kind of revenge or to seek ways to foster 'justice' or to blame. It increases unskilled in many ways or simply doesn't get the truth, as bind on one eye.

In this case here, it is sure that having much shame and concern, but that's something already praised in this days...

Your observations about the potential for negative writing to foster unskilled behavior and misunderstandings are valid concerns. The challenge lies in finding ways to express and process negative experiences that promote healing and understanding rather than exacerbating suffering.

Sharing traumatic or negative experiences through writing can indeed affect readers differently. According to social learning theory, people learn behaviors and emotional responses by observing others. If a narrative heavily emphasizes negative emotions without resolution, it may reinforce similar negative emotions in readers. However, narrative therapy suggests that re-authoring one’s story can be a powerful tool for both the writer and readers. By seeing someone else navigate through trauma, readers might find validation and strategies for their own healing.

The concept of catharsis in psychoanalytic theory, proposed by Freud, suggests that expressing emotions can help alleviate psychological tension. However, research shows mixed results on whether venting negative emotions always leads to relief. You rightly point out that focusing solely on negative emotions can lead to rumination and increased distress. Cognitive-behavioral therapy (CBT) highlights the importance of balanced thinking and addressing negative thoughts with constructive strategies.

Your point about sharing as a form of seeking justice or revenge aligns with the concept of secondary gain in psychodynamic theory, where individuals might unconsciously benefit from their symptoms or complaints. Positive psychology, on the other hand, emphasizes the role of sharing stories to build resilience and foster post-traumatic growth. When people share their experiences constructively, it can lead to a greater sense of community and understanding.

In Buddhism, the importance of mindfulness and balanced emotions is emphasized. The practice of "right speech" encourages speaking truthfully, harmoniously, and beneficially. Writing, seen as an extension of speech, should ideally serve to enlighten and heal rather than harm. Buddhism also teaches the importance of acknowledging and letting go of negative emotions through practices such as meditation and mindfulness. This helps to ventilate emotions without perpetuating negative cycles.

I'm interested in your thoughts on how we can encourage more mindful and constructive storytelling. How do you think writers can strike a balance between honestly sharing their struggles and fostering a positive impact on their readers?

One being mindful does not tell stories, good householder, at first place. It's because not doing the task within thecframe of reference, that formations grow and grow. Better to understand well at first, that to share of what's of no benefit and not really true. The consumer forms the market. And reading stories is an enemy of developing mindfulness.

When someone writes a memoir to express their hardships and tragedies, it's true that exaggerating and seeking sympathy can be possible motives. Indeed, such stories only thrive if there is an audience that demands them.

However, in a supportive group setting with a guiding leader, the focus is on sharing hardships among individuals who are struggling, without judgment or the need for sympathy. These groups are designed to create a safe space where participants can express their feelings and thoughts openly. The goal is not to gain sympathy but to receive understanding and support.

By sharing your experiences in such a group, others can offer different perspectives and help you reframe your thoughts, which can lighten the emotional burden you're carrying. This kind of mutual support can be incredibly healing and transformative.

What do you think about this approach?

What's the use of it? Things have cause. If one does not understand, one can just "ohhh" and others might agree "yes". Then they go home and continue to give cases for bad experiances. My person would call it Gospel singing of slaves. "When i get older, I will be stronger... like a wavering flag...

It's just to look for ways that slavery, labor, goes on as usual.

Samana Johann wrote: ↑June 27th, 2024, 11:13 pm

Sushan wrote: ↑June 27th, 2024, 9:29 pm

Samana Johann wrote: ↑June 27th, 2024, 7:39 pm

Sushan wrote: ↑June 27th, 2024, 3:47 pm

Your observations about the potential for negative writing to foster unskilled behavior and misunderstandings are valid concerns. The challenge lies in finding ways to express and process negative experiences that promote healing and understanding rather than exacerbating suffering.

Sharing traumatic or negative experiences through writing can indeed affect readers differently. According to social learning theory, people learn behaviors and emotional responses by observing others. If a narrative heavily emphasizes negative emotions without resolution, it may reinforce similar negative emotions in readers. However, narrative therapy suggests that re-authoring one’s story can be a powerful tool for both the writer and readers. By seeing someone else navigate through trauma, readers might find validation and strategies for their own healing.

The concept of catharsis in psychoanalytic theory, proposed by Freud, suggests that expressing emotions can help alleviate psychological tension. However, research shows mixed results on whether venting negative emotions always leads to relief. You rightly point out that focusing solely on negative emotions can lead to rumination and increased distress. Cognitive-behavioral therapy (CBT) highlights the importance of balanced thinking and addressing negative thoughts with constructive strategies.

Your point about sharing as a form of seeking justice or revenge aligns with the concept of secondary gain in psychodynamic theory, where individuals might unconsciously benefit from their symptoms or complaints. Positive psychology, on the other hand, emphasizes the role of sharing stories to build resilience and foster post-traumatic growth. When people share their experiences constructively, it can lead to a greater sense of community and understanding.

In Buddhism, the importance of mindfulness and balanced emotions is emphasized. The practice of "right speech" encourages speaking truthfully, harmoniously, and beneficially. Writing, seen as an extension of speech, should ideally serve to enlighten and heal rather than harm. Buddhism also teaches the importance of acknowledging and letting go of negative emotions through practices such as meditation and mindfulness. This helps to ventilate emotions without perpetuating negative cycles.

I'm interested in your thoughts on how we can encourage more mindful and constructive storytelling. How do you think writers can strike a balance between honestly sharing their struggles and fostering a positive impact on their readers?

One being mindful does not tell stories, good householder, at first place. It's because not doing the task within thecframe of reference, that formations grow and grow. Better to understand well at first, that to share of what's of no benefit and not really true. The consumer forms the market. And reading stories is an enemy of developing mindfulness.

When someone writes a memoir to express their hardships and tragedies, it's true that exaggerating and seeking sympathy can be possible motives. Indeed, such stories only thrive if there is an audience that demands them.

However, in a supportive group setting with a guiding leader, the focus is on sharing hardships among individuals who are struggling, without judgment or the need for sympathy. These groups are designed to create a safe space where participants can express their feelings and thoughts openly. The goal is not to gain sympathy but to receive understanding and support.

By sharing your experiences in such a group, others can offer different perspectives and help you reframe your thoughts, which can lighten the emotional burden you're carrying. This kind of mutual support can be incredibly healing and transformative.

What do you think about this approach?

What's the use of it? Things have cause. If one does not understand, one can just "ohhh" and others might agree "yes". Then they go home and continue to give cases for bad experiances. My person would call it Gospel singing of slaves. "When i get older, I will be stronger... like a wavering flag...

It's just to look for ways that slavery, labor, goes on as usual.

I understand your concerns, but supportive group discussions for emotional ventilation serve a much deeper purpose than simply agreeing with one another. Allow me to explain the procedure and goals of these gatherings to help clarify any misunderstandings.

Procedure of Supportive Group Gatherings:

1. Structured Environment: These sessions are carefully structured and led by a trained facilitator who ensures the environment is safe and respectful. This facilitator sets ground rules to maintain confidentiality, respect, and non-judgmental listening.

2. Opening and Warm-up: The session typically begins with an opening activity or warm-up exercise to help participants feel comfortable and present.

3. Sharing Time: Participants take turns sharing their experiences, thoughts, and feelings. This sharing is voluntary, and no one is pressured to speak if they don’t feel ready.

4. Active Listening: While one person shares, others practice active listening, offering their full attention without interruption. This helps the speaker feel heard and validated.

5. Feedback and Support: After someone shares, group members can offer supportive feedback, empathetic responses, or share similar experiences. The goal is to provide understanding and different perspectives, not to judge or criticize.

6. Guided Activities: The facilitator may introduce specific activities designed to help participants process their emotions, such as guided writing exercises, mindfulness practices, or creative expression.

7. Closing and Reflection: The session ends with a closing activity where participants can reflect on what they’ve learned or share any final thoughts. This helps to bring a sense of closure and continuity.


Goals of Supportive Group Discussions:

1. Emotional Ventilation: These groups provide a safe space for individuals to express their emotions and experiences without fear of judgment. This process of emotional ventilation can lead to a significant release of pent-up feelings and stress.

2. Understanding and Empathy: By sharing their stories and listening to others, participants gain a deeper understanding of their own and others' experiences. This fosters empathy and connection, which are crucial for emotional healing.

3. Perspective and Reframing: Through supportive feedback and discussion, participants can gain new perspectives on their experiences. This can help them reframe negative thoughts and develop more constructive ways of thinking.

4. Validation and Acceptance: Being heard and validated by others can reduce feelings of isolation and shame. It reinforces the idea that one’s experiences and emotions are legitimate and important.

5. Coping Strategies: Participants can learn new coping strategies and techniques from both the facilitator and other group members. This collective wisdom can be incredibly valuable in managing and overcoming emotional challenges.

These groups are not about simply agreeing with each other or perpetuating a cycle of negativity. Instead, they are designed to break that cycle by providing a supportive environment where participants can process their emotions, gain new insights, and develop healthier ways of coping.

I hope this explanation clarifies the purpose and benefits of supportive group discussions. They are powerful tools for emotional healing and personal growth, helping individuals move forward in a more positive and empowered way.

What's the goal of those goals? Come in for the sake of sooner or later breaking apart again? People in a swamp helping people in the same swamp.

Aside, what do group sittings have to do with just writting/speading?

Nobody ever found a way out by psychology since it's not designed for release but simply to function again in a prefered system.

Samana Johann wrote: ↑June 28th, 2024, 4:16 am What's the goal of those goals? Come in for the sake of sooner or later breaking apart again? People in a swamp helping people in the same swamp.

Aside, what do group sittings have to do with just writting/speading?

Nobody ever found a way out by psychology since it's not designed for release but simply to function again in a prefered system.

I appreciate your skepticism and understand where you're coming from. It's important to critically examine the effectiveness and ultimate goals of any therapeutic approach. Let me address your concerns in more detail.



The goals of supportive group discussions are multifaceted and go beyond simply functioning within a preferred system. Here's a deeper look at what these goals aim to achieve:

1. Long-Term Emotional Resilience: The ultimate goal is to help individuals build emotional resilience. By learning to process and express their emotions in a healthy way, participants can develop stronger coping mechanisms that serve them throughout their lives, not just in specific situations.

2. Breaking Negative Cycles: While it might seem like people in a "swamp" helping each other, the structured environment and facilitated discussions aim to break negative cycles of thought and behavior. This is done through shared experiences, mutual support, and the introduction of new perspectives and coping strategies.

3. Empowerment and Personal Growth: These sessions are designed to empower individuals by validating their experiences and emotions. This empowerment can lead to greater self-awareness and personal growth, helping individuals to make more informed and constructive choices in their lives.



Your question about the relevance of group discussions to writing and speaking is valid. Here’s how they are connected:

1. Enhanced Expression: Group discussions can enhance one's ability to express thoughts and emotions clearly and effectively. This improved articulation can benefit writing and speaking by helping individuals to communicate more precisely and with greater emotional depth.

2. Idea Generation: The shared experiences and perspectives in group discussions can spark new ideas and insights, which can be valuable for writing and speaking. Hearing diverse viewpoints can enrich one's own understanding and expression.

3. Emotional Catharsis: Group discussions provide a space for emotional release, which can be therapeutic and inspire more honest and impactful writing and speaking. Expressing emotions in a supportive environment can help individuals access and convey deeper truths in their personal narratives.



While it's true that psychology can sometimes be seen as a tool for helping individuals function within societal norms, it also offers valuable methods for achieving personal liberation and emotional freedom:

1. Holistic Healing: Modern psychological approaches often incorporate holistic methods that address the mind, body, and spirit. Techniques such as mindfulness, cognitive-behavioral therapy (CBT), and other integrative therapies aim to provide deeper healing and long-term well-being.

2. Personal Empowerment: Effective psychological interventions focus on empowering individuals to understand and manage their emotions, identify and challenge negative thought patterns, and develop healthier ways of relating to themselves and others.

3. Adaptability: Psychology is constantly evolving. Many contemporary approaches emphasize personal fulfillment and self-actualization, moving beyond mere functionality within a system to achieving a meaningful and satisfying life.

Sushan wrote: ↑June 28th, 2024, 6:01 am

Samana Johann wrote: ↑June 28th, 2024, 4:16 am What's the goal of those goals? Come in for the sake of sooner or later breaking apart again? People in a swamp helping people in the same swamp.

Aside, what do group sittings have to do with just writting/speading?

Nobody ever found a way out by psychology since it's not designed for release but simply to function again in a prefered system.

I appreciate your skepticism and understand where you're coming from. It's important to critically examine the effectiveness and ultimate goals of any therapeutic approach. Let me address your concerns in more detail.



The goals of supportive group discussions are multifaceted and go beyond simply functioning within a preferred system. Here's a deeper look at what these goals aim to achieve:

1. Long-Term Emotional Resilience: The ultimate goal is to help individuals build emotional resilience. By learning to process and express their emotions in a healthy way, participants can develop stronger coping mechanisms that serve them throughout their lives, not just in specific situations.

2. Breaking Negative Cycles: While it might seem like people in a "swamp" helping each other, the structured environment and facilitated discussions aim to break negative cycles of thought and behavior. This is done through shared experiences, mutual support, and the introduction of new perspectives and coping strategies.

3. Empowerment and Personal Growth: These sessions are designed to empower individuals by validating their experiences and emotions. This empowerment can lead to greater self-awareness and personal growth, helping individuals to make more informed and constructive choices in their lives.



Your question about the relevance of group discussions to writing and speaking is valid. Here’s how they are connected:

1. Enhanced Expression: Group discussions can enhance one's ability to express thoughts and emotions clearly and effectively. This improved articulation can benefit writing and speaking by helping individuals to communicate more precisely and with greater emotional depth.

2. Idea Generation: The shared experiences and perspectives in group discussions can spark new ideas and insights, which can be valuable for writing and speaking. Hearing diverse viewpoints can enrich one's own understanding and expression.

3. Emotional Catharsis: Group discussions provide a space for emotional release, which can be therapeutic and inspire more honest and impactful writing and speaking. Expressing emotions in a supportive environment can help individuals access and convey deeper truths in their personal narratives.



While it's true that psychology can sometimes be seen as a tool for helping individuals function within societal norms, it also offers valuable methods for achieving personal liberation and emotional freedom:

1. Holistic Healing: Modern psychological approaches often incorporate holistic methods that address the mind, body, and spirit. Techniques such as mindfulness, cognitive-behavioral therapy (CBT), and other integrative therapies aim to provide deeper healing and long-term well-being.

2. Personal Empowerment: Effective psychological interventions focus on empowering individuals to understand and manage their emotions, identify and challenge negative thought patterns, and develop healthier ways of relating to themselves and others.

3. Adaptability: Psychology is constantly evolving. Many contemporary approaches emphasize personal fulfillment and self-actualization, moving beyond mere functionality within a system to achieving a meaningful and satisfying life.

Aside that writing a book wouldn't work as therapy, maybe good to be more clear about "positive psychology" and how one could gain heal, good patiently eager Sushan:

The Karma of Happiness: A Buddhist Monk Looks at Positive Psychology & The Healing Power of the Precepts

As long as one does not start to "love" oneself but seeks refuge in what's not own, cares about what not under one's control, there will be no healing but just a short lasting batch. Once developed virtue and goodness, one does no more need to relay on outwardly happiness and a happiness which isn't depending on others can be accessed even when most worst seeming things arise, out of past missdeeds.

Samana Johann wrote: ↑June 28th, 2024, 9:38 am

Sushan wrote: ↑June 28th, 2024, 6:01 am

Samana Johann wrote: ↑June 28th, 2024, 4:16 am What's the goal of those goals? Come in for the sake of sooner or later breaking apart again? People in a swamp helping people in the same swamp.

Aside, what do group sittings have to do with just writting/speading?

Nobody ever found a way out by psychology since it's not designed for release but simply to function again in a prefered system.

I appreciate your skepticism and understand where you're coming from. It's important to critically examine the effectiveness and ultimate goals of any therapeutic approach. Let me address your concerns in more detail.



The goals of supportive group discussions are multifaceted and go beyond simply functioning within a preferred system. Here's a deeper look at what these goals aim to achieve:

1. Long-Term Emotional Resilience: The ultimate goal is to help individuals build emotional resilience. By learning to process and express their emotions in a healthy way, participants can develop stronger coping mechanisms that serve them throughout their lives, not just in specific situations.

2. Breaking Negative Cycles: While it might seem like people in a "swamp" helping each other, the structured environment and facilitated discussions aim to break negative cycles of thought and behavior. This is done through shared experiences, mutual support, and the introduction of new perspectives and coping strategies.

3. Empowerment and Personal Growth: These sessions are designed to empower individuals by validating their experiences and emotions. This empowerment can lead to greater self-awareness and personal growth, helping individuals to make more informed and constructive choices in their lives.



Your question about the relevance of group discussions to writing and speaking is valid. Here’s how they are connected:

1. Enhanced Expression: Group discussions can enhance one's ability to express thoughts and emotions clearly and effectively. This improved articulation can benefit writing and speaking by helping individuals to communicate more precisely and with greater emotional depth.

2. Idea Generation: The shared experiences and perspectives in group discussions can spark new ideas and insights, which can be valuable for writing and speaking. Hearing diverse viewpoints can enrich one's own understanding and expression.

3. Emotional Catharsis: Group discussions provide a space for emotional release, which can be therapeutic and inspire more honest and impactful writing and speaking. Expressing emotions in a supportive environment can help individuals access and convey deeper truths in their personal narratives.



While it's true that psychology can sometimes be seen as a tool for helping individuals function within societal norms, it also offers valuable methods for achieving personal liberation and emotional freedom:

1. Holistic Healing: Modern psychological approaches often incorporate holistic methods that address the mind, body, and spirit. Techniques such as mindfulness, cognitive-behavioral therapy (CBT), and other integrative therapies aim to provide deeper healing and long-term well-being.

2. Personal Empowerment: Effective psychological interventions focus on empowering individuals to understand and manage their emotions, identify and challenge negative thought patterns, and develop healthier ways of relating to themselves and others.

3. Adaptability: Psychology is constantly evolving. Many contemporary approaches emphasize personal fulfillment and self-actualization, moving beyond mere functionality within a system to achieving a meaningful and satisfying life.

Aside that writing a book wouldn't work as therapy, maybe good to be more clear about "positive psychology" and how one could gain heal, good patiently eager Sushan:

The Karma of Happiness: A Buddhist Monk Looks at Positive Psychology & The Healing Power of the Precepts

As long as one does not start to "love" oneself but seeks refuge in what's not own, cares about what not under one's control, there will be no healing but just a short lasting batch. Once developed virtue and goodness, one does no more need to relay on outwardly happiness and a happiness which isn't depending on others can be accessed even when most worst seeming things arise, out of past missdeeds.

Writing about bad experiences can be incredibly healing. Positive psychology, pioneered by Martin Seligman, emphasizes long-term happiness by focusing on positive emotions and traits. Expressive writing fits perfectly here, as it helps reduce stress and improve mood.

True healing involves self-love and inner happiness, not just relying on external factors. By writing, we confront and understand our past, fostering control and self-acceptance.

Western meditators often struggle with low self-esteem due to modern life's pressures. Writing offers a way to process trauma and negative emotions, building resilience and self-esteem. Supportive writing groups can further enhance this healing process, creating environments where personal growth and healing thrive.

In essence, writing about our struggles can be a powerful step towards emotional and mental well-being, blending insights from both positive psychology and Buddhist practices.

Good householder didn't gave it a read, first, and mostly doesn't consider that some might already know where one dwells actually. And the Buddha didn't suggest householder to meditate to solve their issues as well. Basics.

Trained common equanimity, eg. ignorance, isn't at all a secure path, it's just like druguse.

Samana Johann wrote: ↑June 28th, 2024, 7:24 pm Good householder didn't gave it a read, first, and mostly doesn't consider that some might already know where one dwells actually. And the Buddha didn't suggest householder to meditate to solve their issues as well. Basics.

Trained common equanimity, eg. ignorance, isn't at all a secure path, it's just like druguse.

I read the documents you provided. I agree that meditation is not merely for solving day-to-day life issues, and indeed, Lord Buddha has addressed such matters separately for those who came to him asking for help. We see numerous examples of this in the Sutta Pitaka, where practical advice is given for everyday living.

However, I believe that those who have meditated and improved their minds certainly have an advantage in facing common problems because they approach issues differently. A calm and focused mind, developed through meditation, can lead to more effective problem-solving and a better understanding of one’s emotions and reactions.

While the Buddha may not have suggested meditation as the sole solution for householders’ issues, he did advocate for mental cultivation as part of a holistic approach to life. The Anguttara Nikaya, for example, contains many teachings on right effort, mindfulness, and concentration, which contribute to a more balanced and resilient mind.

Regarding equanimity, I slightly disagree with your comparison to drug use. True equanimity, as taught by the Buddha, is not ignorance but a balanced state of mind that comes from wisdom and understanding. It is about seeing things as they are, without attachment or aversion, which is far from being akin to drug-induced detachment. Equanimity, when rightly cultivated, helps one to remain steady and clear-minded in the face of life's ups and downs.

The only I believe in my opinion you can heal from your trauma is get away of it.
Writing about trauma can have both positive and negative effects, depending on the individual and their circumstances.

Positive effects:

- Catharsis: Writing can help process and release emotions related to the trauma.
- Clarity: Writing can help make sense of the experience and gain perspective.
- Control: Writing can provide a sense of control over the traumatic event.
- Healing: Writing can be a step towards healing and recovery.

Negative effects:

- Triggering: Writing about trauma can trigger distressing memories and emotions.
- Re-traumatization: Writing can lead to re-experiencing the trauma, potentially worsening symptoms.
- Overwhelm: Writing can feel overwhelming, especially if the trauma is recent or unresolved.

To minimize potential harm and maximize potential healing, consider:

- Working with a therapist or counselor
- Setting boundaries and taking breaks
- Practicing self-care and stress management
- Focusing on the present moment and your strengths

Remember, writing about trauma is a personal decision, and it's essential to prioritize your well-being and safety above any potential benefits.

Sushan wrote: ↑June 28th, 2024, 7:44 pm

Samana Johann wrote: ↑June 28th, 2024, 7:24 pm Good householder didn't gave it a read, first, and mostly doesn't consider that some might already know where one dwells actually. And the Buddha didn't suggest householder to meditate to solve their issues as well. Basics.

Trained common equanimity, eg. ignorance, isn't at all a secure path, it's just like druguse.

I read the documents you provided. I agree that meditation is not merely for solving day-to-day life issues, and indeed, Lord Buddha has addressed such matters separately for those who came to him asking for help. We see numerous examples of this in the Sutta Pitaka, where practical advice is given for everyday living.

However, I believe that those who have meditated and improved their minds certainly have an advantage in facing common problems because they approach issues differently. A calm and focused mind, developed through meditation, can lead to more effective problem-solving and a better understanding of one’s emotions and reactions.

While the Buddha may not have suggested meditation as the sole solution for householders’ issues, he did advocate for mental cultivation as part of a holistic approach to life. The Anguttara Nikaya, for example, contains many teachings on right effort, mindfulness, and concentration, which contribute to a more balanced and resilient mind.

Regarding equanimity, I slightly disagree with your comparison to drug use. True equanimity, as taught by the Buddha, is not ignorance but a balanced state of mind that comes from wisdom and understanding. It is about seeing things as they are, without attachment or aversion, which is far from being akin to drug-induced detachment. Equanimity, when rightly cultivated, helps one to remain steady and clear-minded in the face of life's ups and downs.

So called "householder-equanimity" (equanimity of one not seeing the danger in the world, not beyond sensual desire) has been mentioned as grave danger by the Buddha, and being that, such as meditation has never been taught to those not at the stage of Brahmacariy, and right livelihood (renouncing life).
Further, equanimity isn't a tool on the path but it's last stage, renouncing-equanimity.

It's a drug helping people to still don't go after virtues, not doing their duties in relation and give way for even more consume and miss-conduct. What ever based on wrong view turns wrong: wrong conduct, effort, wrong samadhi, wrong liberation.

An ignorant mind (call one equanimity) is straight lane downward and even closes the doors to ever gain the good Dhamma.

All right effort means turning wrong to right view, and certain psychology increases wrong view, eg. rights, worth, ingratitude. end of the line.

Abdm28 wrote: ↑June 29th, 2024, 5:27 am The only I believe in my opinion you can heal from your trauma is get away of it.
Writing about trauma can have both positive and negative effects, depending on the individual and their circumstances.

Positive effects:

- Catharsis: Writing can help process and release emotions related to the trauma.
- Clarity: Writing can help make sense of the experience and gain perspective.
- Control: Writing can provide a sense of control over the traumatic event.
- Healing: Writing can be a step towards healing and recovery.

Negative effects:

- Triggering: Writing about trauma can trigger distressing memories and emotions.
- Re-traumatization: Writing can lead to re-experiencing the trauma, potentially worsening symptoms.
- Overwhelm: Writing can feel overwhelming, especially if the trauma is recent or unresolved.

To minimize potential harm and maximize potential healing, consider:

- Working with a therapist or counselor
- Setting boundaries and taking breaks
- Practicing self-care and stress management
- Focusing on the present moment and your strengths

Remember, writing about trauma is a personal decision, and it's essential to prioritize your well-being and safety above any potential benefits.

Thank you for your thoughtful and balanced insights on the benefits and risks of writing about trauma. I agree that getting away from the trauma can indeed be a powerful first step in healing. Your points about catharsis, gaining clarity, and achieving a sense of control are well-taken and supported by research on expressive writing and mental health.

One of the key psychological benefits of writing about trauma is the ability to process and integrate traumatic experiences. Studies have shown that expressive writing can lead to improvements in mental health, including reduced symptoms of depression and PTSD (Pennebaker, J.W., & Smyth, J.M., 2016). Writing allows individuals to articulate their emotions and gain perspective, which can be essential for healing.

However, as you mentioned, the act of writing about trauma can also reawaken intense emotions and potentially exacerbate psychological distress. This highlights the importance of setting boundaries and practicing self-care during the writing process. Working with a therapist or counselor can provide additional support and guidance, ensuring that the writing process remains a safe and therapeutic experience.

What are your thoughts on the ethical considerations of sharing personal trauma with a broader audience?

Samana Johann wrote: ↑June 29th, 2024, 6:17 am

Sushan wrote: ↑June 28th, 2024, 7:44 pm

Samana Johann wrote: ↑June 28th, 2024, 7:24 pm Good householder didn't gave it a read, first, and mostly doesn't consider that some might already know where one dwells actually. And the Buddha didn't suggest householder to meditate to solve their issues as well. Basics.

Trained common equanimity, eg. ignorance, isn't at all a secure path, it's just like druguse.

I read the documents you provided. I agree that meditation is not merely for solving day-to-day life issues, and indeed, Lord Buddha has addressed such matters separately for those who came to him asking for help. We see numerous examples of this in the Sutta Pitaka, where practical advice is given for everyday living.

However, I believe that those who have meditated and improved their minds certainly have an advantage in facing common problems because they approach issues differently. A calm and focused mind, developed through meditation, can lead to more effective problem-solving and a better understanding of one’s emotions and reactions.

While the Buddha may not have suggested meditation as the sole solution for householders’ issues, he did advocate for mental cultivation as part of a holistic approach to life. The Anguttara Nikaya, for example, contains many teachings on right effort, mindfulness, and concentration, which contribute to a more balanced and resilient mind.

Regarding equanimity, I slightly disagree with your comparison to drug use. True equanimity, as taught by the Buddha, is not ignorance but a balanced state of mind that comes from wisdom and understanding. It is about seeing things as they are, without attachment or aversion, which is far from being akin to drug-induced detachment. Equanimity, when rightly cultivated, helps one to remain steady and clear-minded in the face of life's ups and downs.

So called "householder-equanimity" (equanimity of one not seeing the danger in the world, not beyond sensual desire) has been mentioned as grave danger by the Buddha, and being that, such as meditation has never been taught to those not at the stage of Brahmacariy, and right livelihood (renouncing life).
Further, equanimity isn't a tool on the path but it's last stage, renouncing-equanimity.

It's a drug helping people to still don't go after virtues, not doing their duties in relation and give way for even more consume and miss-conduct. What ever based on wrong view turns wrong: wrong conduct, effort, wrong samadhi, wrong liberation.

An ignorant mind (call one equanimity) is straight lane downward and even closes the doors to ever gain the good Dhamma.

All right effort means turning wrong to right view, and certain psychology increases wrong view, eg. rights, worth, ingratitude. end of the line.

I understand your perspective on "householder-equanimity" and the concern that it might lead to complacency rather than genuine insight. It is true that the Buddha emphasized the importance of understanding the dangers of samsara and not becoming complacent in the face of worldly desires and attachments. However, I think there might be a bit of a misunderstanding regarding the application of meditation and the development of equanimity for householders.

The Buddha did teach meditation to laypeople, albeit with different expectations compared to monks. For instance, in the Sigalovada Sutta, the Buddha provides comprehensive advice to the householder Sigala on how to live a virtuous and balanced life. This includes elements of mental training and right conduct, showing that laypeople are also encouraged to cultivate mindfulness and concentration.

Regarding equanimity, it's important to differentiate between the types of equanimity discussed in the Pali Canon. The equanimity (upekkha) developed through meditation is a wholesome state that arises from wisdom and understanding, not from ignorance or detachment akin to drug use. The Buddha described equanimity as one of the Four Sublime States (Brahmaviharas), alongside loving-kindness, compassion, and sympathetic joy. These states are cultivated through practice and are intended to foster a balanced and compassionate mind.

Your point about right effort is well taken. The Buddha indeed taught that right effort involves abandoning unwholesome states and cultivating wholesome ones. This includes the effort to develop right view and the other factors of the Noble Eightfold Path. Therefore, mindfulness and meditation, when practiced correctly, support this process by helping individuals see things as they truly are and respond appropriately.

Would you agree that while householders have different responsibilities and challenges compared to monastics, they can still benefit from meditation and mental cultivation in their pursuit of a virtuous and balanced life?

Sushan wrote: ↑July 8th, 2024, 5:38 am

Samana Johann wrote: ↑June 29th, 2024, 6:17 am

Sushan wrote: ↑June 28th, 2024, 7:44 pm

Samana Johann wrote: ↑June 28th, 2024, 7:24 pm Good householder didn't gave it a read, first, and mostly doesn't consider that some might already know where one dwells actually. And the Buddha didn't suggest householder to meditate to solve their issues as well. Basics.

Trained common equanimity, eg. ignorance, isn't at all a secure path, it's just like druguse.

I read the documents you provided. I agree that meditation is not merely for solving day-to-day life issues, and indeed, Lord Buddha has addressed such matters separately for those who came to him asking for help. We see numerous examples of this in the Sutta Pitaka, where practical advice is given for everyday living.

However, I believe that those who have meditated and improved their minds certainly have an advantage in facing common problems because they approach issues differently. A calm and focused mind, developed through meditation, can lead to more effective problem-solving and a better understanding of one’s emotions and reactions.

While the Buddha may not have suggested meditation as the sole solution for householders’ issues, he did advocate for mental cultivation as part of a holistic approach to life. The Anguttara Nikaya, for example, contains many teachings on right effort, mindfulness, and concentration, which contribute to a more balanced and resilient mind.

Regarding equanimity, I slightly disagree with your comparison to drug use. True equanimity, as taught by the Buddha, is not ignorance but a balanced state of mind that comes from wisdom and understanding. It is about seeing things as they are, without attachment or aversion, which is far from being akin to drug-induced detachment. Equanimity, when rightly cultivated, helps one to remain steady and clear-minded in the face of life's ups and downs.

So called "householder-equanimity" (equanimity of one not seeing the danger in the world, not beyond sensual desire) has been mentioned as grave danger by the Buddha, and being that, such as meditation has never been taught to those not at the stage of Brahmacariy, and right livelihood (renouncing life).
Further, equanimity isn't a tool on the path but it's last stage, renouncing-equanimity.

It's a drug helping people to still don't go after virtues, not doing their duties in relation and give way for even more consume and miss-conduct. What ever based on wrong view turns wrong: wrong conduct, effort, wrong samadhi, wrong liberation.

An ignorant mind (call one equanimity) is straight lane downward and even closes the doors to ever gain the good Dhamma.

All right effort means turning wrong to right view, and certain psychology increases wrong view, eg. rights, worth, ingratitude. end of the line.

I understand your perspective on "householder-equanimity" and the concern that it might lead to complacency rather than genuine insight. It is true that the Buddha emphasized the importance of understanding the dangers of samsara and not becoming complacent in the face of worldly desires and attachments. However, I think there might be a bit of a misunderstanding regarding the application of meditation and the development of equanimity for householders.

The Buddha did teach meditation to laypeople, albeit with different expectations compared to monks. For instance, in the Sigalovada Sutta, the Buddha provides comprehensive advice to the householder Sigala on how to live a virtuous and balanced life. This includes elements of mental training and right conduct, showing that laypeople are also encouraged to cultivate mindfulness and concentration.

Regarding equanimity, it's important to differentiate between the types of equanimity discussed in the Pali Canon. The equanimity (upekkha) developed through meditation is a wholesome state that arises from wisdom and understanding, not from ignorance or detachment akin to drug use. The Buddha described equanimity as one of the Four Sublime States (Brahmaviharas), alongside loving-kindness, compassion, and sympathetic joy. These states are cultivated through practice and are intended to foster a balanced and compassionate mind.

Your point about right effort is well taken. The Buddha indeed taught that right effort involves abandoning unwholesome states and cultivating wholesome ones. This includes the effort to develop right view and the other factors of the Noble Eightfold Path. Therefore, mindfulness and meditation, when practiced correctly, support this process by helping individuals see things as they truly are and respond appropriately.

Would you agree that while householders have different responsibilities and challenges compared to monastics, they can still benefit from meditation and mental cultivation in their pursuit of a virtuous and balanced life?

Good Sushan,

my person would be dare if telling something as taught by the Buddha, not being so, and viciversa.
People are entertained by a Buddhism-marked, a marxist idea from the last century in Burma. As people lost faith and socialistic ideas of Christianity entered, not so smart monks thought of "let lay people be equal" to get well provided by doing a lifing by teaching them. Also the texts where given away and lay people started to make a thief-copy with corrupt monks. Never had lay-people been taught meditation. There are 5 and 6 Anussati to clean the mind, if having the base.

Householder-equanimity isn't my persons name for what the Buddha saw as most dangerous. What ever development of mind based on wrong view, based on stinginess, based on non-metta, and that all are not just hypothetical ideas, leads to wrong release. As long as there is no right livelyhood, the higher path will not getting on.

And further, at no point on the path, except in states of higher Jhana, is equanimity a tool. The whole path is about right judgement, gives no room for equanimity at all, and even the most refined equanimity has to be abound. At least, as the Buddha taught, equanimity isn't the highest, but right discrimination.

People love to be equal toward what's right/wrong, good, bad, a pleasure, a joy, enemy. Equanimity is used to get not stuck in the refined joy of Jhana, and this is called nekkhamma-equanimity, renouncing equanimity, an equanimity that isn't ignorant toward right and wrong, good and bad, duties, but toward even highest pleasure.

So for now we could maybe agree that some writings on good householders traumatic experience of being cheated so long, have possitive impact?