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[Sculptor1]

Though there have been so recent fallow years, t is my view that as a percentage of the black population, black people are probably over-represented at the oscars, over the years.

https://www.imdb.com/list/ls500201040/

https://www.theroot.com/every-black-act ... 1848646024

Over-represented, eh ? Well, 2022 was the 94th Academy awards, so your first link shows 34 blacks who won for actor/actress, supporting actor/actress, director, best picture, screenplay and soundtrack. 8 categories. 5 categories x 94 years plus 3 categories x 85 years is 725 total awards. Since blacks are 11% of the population, you'd expect 79 winners, so the 34 actual winners are less than half of what you'd expect statistically.

Don't you get it? There wouldn't be an ALMA award show if the Academy awards would have had Latino nominees/winners. If the Oscars are all white where exactly are Latino actors supposed to be recognized? It's disingenuous to exclude groups from recognition, then bellyache when they create their own format. You're not the only game in town.

When you have awards for black only they are more likely to find less representation in the mainstream.
That's what division looks like.

Your timing is backwards. The ALMA awards were forced on Latinos by the lack of representation at the Oscars. You're acting like the ALMAs caused the lack of representation at the Oscars.

tit for tat.
There is no history zero.
Once there was a black emperor of Rome. Racism is a virus in the minds of men, and can be fed or starved.

[LuckyR]

I guess some concepts need to be experienced to be understood. That is, they defy theoretical pondering from the sidelines.

[Sculptor1]

I guess some concepts need to be experienced to be understood. That is, they defy theoretical pondering from the sidelines.

We all face some sort of prejudice, but the way to counter it, is not more (reverse) prejudice.

[LuckyR]

I guess some concepts need to be experienced to be understood. That is, they defy theoretical pondering from the sidelines.

We all face some sort of prejudice, but the way to counter it, is not more (reverse) prejudice.

That's A way to counter it, one that is especially palatable to those who would prefer to not have to address past injustices. As I said, makes some theoretical sense.

[Sculptor1]

I guess some concepts need to be experienced to be understood. That is, they defy theoretical pondering from the sidelines.

We all face some sort of prejudice, but the way to counter it, is not more (reverse) prejudice.

That's A way to counter it, one that is especially palatable to those who would prefer to not have to address past injustices. As I said, makes some theoretical sense.

That is round hairy ones.

[Pattern-chaser]

This thread reminds me of a conversation I had awhile back:

"Why do Latinos have the ALMA awards? There isn't a white person acting award show"

"Uummm... they're called the Oscars..."

Yes.

I would add but one comment here: 'white' parents in London regularly (relatively speaking) have black children. This, we believe, is down to those black soldiers the Roman Empire brought there 2000 years ago. I.e. 'white' parents with 'black' children are not unknown. The only way I know to escape from this silliness is to realise that the people involved are all human, and that 'race' (defined according to skin colour) is a distasteful fantasy.

[Sculptor1]

This thread reminds me of a conversation I had awhile back:

"Why do Latinos have the ALMA awards? There isn't a white person acting award show"

"Uummm... they're called the Oscars..."

Yes.

I would add but one comment here: 'white' parents in London regularly (relatively speaking) have black children. This, we believe, is down to those black soldiers the Roman Empire brought there 2000 years ago. I.e. 'white' parents with 'black' children are not unknown. The only way I know to escape from this silliness is to realise that the people involved are all human, and that 'race' (defined according to skin colour) is a distasteful fantasy.

Sadly the more we go on the more this distasteful practice accelerates. Rather than reform white centric institutions, we seem to add black centric ones, which simply reifies the disgraceful ideologies of racism.

[Sculptor1]

The Oscars is not a "white person award show".
https://www.imdb.com/list/ls500201040/

[Pattern-chaser]

We all face some sort of prejudice, but the way to counter it, is not more (reverse) prejudice.

The Roman Catholic Church has done many awful things, but they have a very good grasp of guilt, forgiveness, and the like. Following the realisation and admission that one has done wrong, one of the things one must do to deserve forgiveness is to make reparation, as far as that is possible and practical. In some circumstances, such reparation might well require what you refer to as "(reverse) prejudice".

If you stole something, then reparation would likely involve returning what you stole. That is not prejudice, reverse or otherwise.

[Sculptor1]

We all face some sort of prejudice, but the way to counter it, is not more (reverse) prejudice.

The Roman Catholic Church has done many awful things, but they have a very good grasp of guilt, forgiveness, and the like. Following the realisation and admission that one has done wrong, one of the things one must do to deserve forgiveness is to make reparation, as far as that is possible and practical. In some circumstances, such reparation might well require what you refer to as "(reverse) prejudice".

If you stole something, then reparation would likely involve returning what you stole. That is not prejudice, reverse or otherwise.

The Catholic Church have been supreme at forgiveness, and piss poor at reparations.
In fact they have been so good to their pedophilic priests are to reward them with promotions, while the children they have buggered have been vilified and denied.

[Sculptor1]

We all face some sort of prejudice, but the way to counter it, is not more (reverse) prejudice.

The Roman Catholic Church has done many awful things, but they have a very good grasp of guilt, forgiveness, and the like. Following the realisation and admission that one has done wrong, one of the things one must do to deserve forgiveness is to make reparation, as far as that is possible and practical. In some circumstances, such reparation might well require what you refer to as "(reverse) prejudice".

If you stole something, then reparation would likely involve returning what you stole. That is not prejudice, reverse or otherwise.

Have you crossed threads?
I was not here talking about the church.

[LuckyR]

The Oscars is not a "white person award show".
https://www.imdb.com/list/ls500201040/

Not anymore... but it was.

[Sculptor1]

The Oscars is not a "white person award show".
https://www.imdb.com/list/ls500201040/

Not anymore... but it was.

So your claim is now that the Oscar's had no race bar, abut now it is white's only?
Is that your claim?

[Pattern-chaser]

We all face some sort of prejudice, but the way to counter it, is not more (reverse) prejudice.

The Roman Catholic Church has done many awful things, but they have a very good grasp of guilt, forgiveness, and the like. Following the realisation and admission that one has done wrong, one of the things one must do to deserve forgiveness is to make reparation, as far as that is possible and practical. In some circumstances, such reparation might well require what you refer to as "(reverse) prejudice".

If you stole something, then reparation would likely involve returning what you stole. That is not prejudice, reverse or otherwise.

Have you crossed threads?
I was not here talking about the church.

I mentioned the RC church only because of their mastery of guilt and associated feelings. Then I applied that mastery, to consider how reverse prejudice could reasonably be seen as reparation.

[Sculptor1]

We all face some sort of prejudice, but the way to counter it, is not more (reverse) prejudice.

The Roman Catholic Church has done many awful things, but they have a very good grasp of guilt, forgiveness, and the like. Following the realisation and admission that one has done wrong, one of the things one must do to deserve forgiveness is to make reparation, as far as that is possible and practical. In some circumstances, such reparation might well require what you refer to as "(reverse) prejudice".

If you stole something, then reparation would likely involve returning what you stole. That is not prejudice, reverse or otherwise.

Have you crossed threads?
I was not here talking about the church.

I mentioned the RC church only because of their mastery of guilt and associated feelings. Then I applied that mastery, to consider how reverse prejudice could reasonably be seen as reparation.

Sorry to be obtuse. How can "reverse prejudice" be reparation?