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[Sushan]

I am sorry but I do not see the compatibility between the two. I believe time is a crucial factor, and if you put your heart in an unrealistic goal, time can be the deciding factor but not your heart.

Well to me these two theses appear completely comtpatible. I think your fault is to think of the realization of a dream but the thesis "Dreams don’t follow the clock, they follow the heart" is completely independent of the realization of a dream.

I am sorry, but I just wanted to clarify whether we are on the same page. I think both of us are discussing about dreams for future achievements, but not the dreams that we see during our sleeps ( Please correct me if I am wrong).

And in that case realization of a dream matters. And then 'time' becomes definitely a crucial factor because opportunities and resources are limited in quantity as well as availability.

I cannot follow your line of reasoning but again have to refer you to what I said. Even if the dreams in question are "dreams for future achievements" the thesis "Dreams don’t follow the clock, they follow the heart" is completely independent of the realization of a dream. You never can be sure to achieve what you want but you always can dream about achieving it and use rational thoughts to support your dream.

I think I have to agree on that. Realizing a dream is independent from the time factor. Time is applied only when you are working towards actually achieving it.

[stevie]

Well to me these two theses appear completely comtpatible. I think your fault is to think of the realization of a dream but the thesis "Dreams don’t follow the clock, they follow the heart" is completely independent of the realization of a dream.

I am sorry, but I just wanted to clarify whether we are on the same page. I think both of us are discussing about dreams for future achievements, but not the dreams that we see during our sleeps ( Please correct me if I am wrong).

And in that case realization of a dream matters. And then 'time' becomes definitely a crucial factor because opportunities and resources are limited in quantity as well as availability.

I cannot follow your line of reasoning but again have to refer you to what I said. Even if the dreams in question are "dreams for future achievements" the thesis "Dreams don’t follow the clock, they follow the heart" is completely independent of the realization of a dream. You never can be sure to achieve what you want but you always can dream about achieving it and use rational thoughts to support your dream.

I think I have to agree on that. Realizing a dream is independent from the time factor. Time is applied only when you are working towards actually achieving it.

That is what makes dreams about achievements in the context of religions so attractive: they actually transcend time by means of faith which is transcendence of the natural intellect which is tightly connected to conceivings of time and duration.

[Sushan]

With the internal clock, I suspect we can cut dreams short if we think awaking is coming soon. It might be embedded in us from a young age and our experience with sleeping and dreaming. However, abrupt awakening can change dream pattern.

Dreams are quite realistic, and most of the time we find it difficult to understand that we are actually seeing a dream. In that case how can we think that awakening is coming soon while seeing a dream?

[Sushan]

I am sorry, but I just wanted to clarify whether we are on the same page. I think both of us are discussing about dreams for future achievements, but not the dreams that we see during our sleeps ( Please correct me if I am wrong).

And in that case realization of a dream matters. And then 'time' becomes definitely a crucial factor because opportunities and resources are limited in quantity as well as availability.

I cannot follow your line of reasoning but again have to refer you to what I said. Even if the dreams in question are "dreams for future achievements" the thesis "Dreams don’t follow the clock, they follow the heart" is completely independent of the realization of a dream. You never can be sure to achieve what you want but you always can dream about achieving it and use rational thoughts to support your dream.

I think I have to agree on that. Realizing a dream is independent from the time factor. Time is applied only when you are working towards actually achieving it.

That is what makes dreams about achievements in the context of religions so attractive: they actually transcend time by means of faith which is transcendence of the natural intellect which is tightly connected to conceivings of time and duration.

When it comes to religious matters all the known norms are distorted. The simple example is the story of Adam, who should have lived several thousands of years in order for the story to be true (or atleast logical). If anyone question about that words like faith and blasphemy will shut that questioning mouth.