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Nitai wrote: ↑February 28th, 2021, 2:38 pm There is a source of this universe and this source contain everything in it because out of the source there is nothing so it is the source that gave all the ingredients known and the impulsion, this source then must be complete.
The Complete Whole must contain everything both within and beyond our experience; otherwise He cannot be complete.

-Way to vague and general to have any philosophical meaning. You first need to define this sources, prove that this source exists and "contains" everything, then prove that everything is contingent to this source or else there would be nothing and then you need to explain how did you justify the jump from a source to be a "he"!

I need to repeat that;
Philosophy is good but it is only speculation without experiences, we can speculate forever and most "philosopher" do it actually, it is a modern idea to think that philosophy is only an idea of dry mental speculation, that is another sense gratification on the intellectual level but real philosophy is an ardent search (meaning we are eager to find not to argue) for the truth not an academical pursue.
I just find it is important to remember this because in our modern life we tend to forget it.
I give more credit to sincerity then scolarship in this search.

-I will agree with you that Philosophy without epistemology is rubbish but that is also true for philosophy based on personal interpretations of subjective experiences. Unfortunate your opening statement is exactly that. Arbitrary interpretations of your personal experiences without objective verification can never be good foundation for any philosophical inquiry. This is the reason why we have ended up with more than 4.300 conflicting religions and spiritual worldviews.People are gullible enough to accept their own comforting stories in their efforts to ease their existential and epistemic anxieties.

I'm curious on none of you understand what I mean at religion is the best sense of our being. It's a big sense because it's a big aspect of life. I'm sure you all know who jesus is, do you not. It's a big sense because you choose to take a stance on it regardless of you want to. You are either with it or against it.

I am somewhat a christian. I was born catholic and I have this belief by birth and somewhat by choice. You know it's a big sense of human nature because weather you want to think of it or not it dictates all societies. Everyone has stance on it weather or not it's belief or disbelief.

SneakySniper179 wrote: ↑March 10th, 2021, 8:14 am

I'm curious on none of you understand what I mean at religion is the best sense of our being.

-That statement makes not sense. "best sense of our being"??

It's a big sense because it's a big aspect of life.

-Not in my life or any other atheist I know....

I'm sure you all know who jesus is, do you not.

-The same thing can be said for Maradona, Kermit the frog,Indiana Jones.

It's a big sense because you choose to take a stance on it regardless of you want to. You are either with it or against it.

-First of all what do you mean by the term "big sense". Secondly I am Apatheist....so I am not against or with any specific religion.

I am somewhat a christian. I was born catholic and I have this belief by birth and somewhat by choice.

-So your above claims are about you.....

You know it's a big sense of human nature because weather you want to think of it or not it dictates all societies.

-Not the secular societies of Europe.

Everyone has stance on it weather or not it's belief or disbelief.

Everyone holds a position against or in favor of meat eating...what is your point mate?

SneakySniper179 wrote: ↑February 10th, 2021, 9:16 pm We would get bored with perfect perfection. There is no such a thing as a perfect world, if there was we would be bored and obsolete.

I'm catching up on this thread and just noticed the above statement.

One could ask: just what the heck does "perfect perfection" mean? Are there gradations of perfect, so it makes sense to speak of a perfection that isn't perfectly perfect? There's such a thing as imperfect perfection? Are there perfect perfections that are more perfect than other perfect perfections, similar to Orwell's concept of "some animals are more equal than others"?

But what I really wonder is this: do you believe in an after-life? Is it perfectly perfect? Do people (or whatever you call them at that point) get bored in the after-life? How does God manage to transcend boredom, God being being perfectly perfect, and such? Does God accomplish it by experiencing perfectly perfect boredom?

BobS wrote: ↑March 10th, 2021, 4:44 pm How does God manage to transcend boredom, God being being perfectly perfect, and such? Does God accomplish it by experiencing perfectly perfect boredom?

That's why He committed suicide. https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/218 ... ng_Jehovah

Alias wrote: ↑March 10th, 2021, 6:00 pm

BobS wrote: ↑March 10th, 2021, 4:44 pm How does God manage to transcend boredom, God being being perfectly perfect, and such? Does God accomplish it by experiencing perfectly perfect boredom?

That's why He committed suicide. https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/218 ... ng_Jehovah

Well that book just sounds perfectly rude.

BobS wrote: ↑March 10th, 2021, 6:50 pm Well that book just sounds perfectly rude.

It is, in places, but it also has a couple of worthwhile messages.

SneakySniper179 wrote: ↑February 9th, 2021, 10:45 pm I believe that religion does a disjustice to whatever created us. I personally believe that it explains something in simpler terms than needed which causes misinterpretations of something that needs to be interpreted by an individual. We see this all the time in different ways of believing in the same religion which comes predominantly from Abrahamic religions. We use god and the devil as a way to understand why humans act a certain way and usually I believe that the devil is a cop out for the evils of man. Many people who do terrible things believe that they are the son of the devil, A demon, or corrupted by dark forces where mental illness can explain all of these things.

Humans don't need a force to corrupt us. Humans are an evil that can create another evil and keep perpetuating the cycle over and over until the end of time. People hate God or whatever created us because they blame him for our suffering but without it, we would be nothing. Our original sin is just being Man, it's being conscious. We love good things but at the same time, Without evil, Without suffering we would be bored and would inevitably create it.

It will never end for that reason. For the same reason we relish love and I believe that's why people look back at their childhoods with such fondness, because children don't know the harshness of man until they are taught it and they don't get the burden until they reflect on it. Personally I love this life and everything that comes with it. Every culture has a good or evil, a yin and yang. It's the nature of being. Good times, bad times. Personally I fell into a belief of atheism, I believed if god existed he hated us. I believed the nature of life was to suffer and that caused suffering in the core of my being from years of being a good catholic, Believing everything I was told.

I am not worried about death or anything as trivial as that. It's not something I have much control over. I will say I don't want anyone undeserving of suffering to suffer but my thoughts on the matter do not matter. Trying to learn about god from the bible is like trying to learn math from a book on spanish. The answers are not in one book but many books. I do have an appreciation of religion and I am open to the fact that I may be wrong. Everything in that book may be true. But that would go against everything we know of science and life itself. Please let me know what you think of this. I would love some opinions on my theory.

Thank you for expressing this - a breath of fresh air to me as I am feeling suffocated by religious dogma.

I grew up lds/Mormon, so my frustration with dogma is that flavor, but I see mainstream Christianity as rooted in Catholicism. Esebius - the “father of Christian history - spoke of the need to lie for the sake of the church. They voted on the nature of Christ. More concerning is the damming (holding back) nature of human sacrifice scapegoating. It’s so entrenched - so indoctrinated in minds - that even people who realize Mormonism to be cultish still don’t realize the immoral aspects of Christian traditions & will shun those who don’t believe.

I am not atheist though. To me it’s based on strawman and ignores functional illusions - peace of beliefs, power of faith/placebo effect, etc.

Religion does try to give answers rather than allow for first ASKING & then searching. And definitely it tries to dismiss psychological aspects like projection (though Buddhism may be the exception).

Much more I could say except gotta go.