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LuckyR wrote: ↑February 27th, 2024, 5:59 pm The first punk I remember hearing was Anarchy in the UK by the Sex Pistols. Which, IMO has musical value.

It's a good, hard rocking pop tune, like a faster, more political ACDC sans the bluesy influences.

Sy Borg wrote: ↑February 27th, 2024, 7:43 pm

LuckyR wrote: ↑February 27th, 2024, 5:59 pm The first punk I remember hearing was Anarchy in the UK by the Sex Pistols. Which, IMO has musical value.

It's a good, hard rocking pop tune, like a faster, more political ACDC sans the bluesy influences.

Great description, though it's in the punk section at the record store...

LuckyR wrote: ↑February 28th, 2024, 2:08 am

Sy Borg wrote: ↑February 27th, 2024, 7:43 pm

LuckyR wrote: ↑February 27th, 2024, 5:59 pm The first punk I remember hearing was Anarchy in the UK by the Sex Pistols. Which, IMO has musical value.

It's a good, hard rocking pop tune, like a faster, more political ACDC sans the bluesy influences.

Great description, though it's in the punk section at the record store...

Really, punk is a marketing term. It's just loud rock'n'roll. Punk is mentally easier, less varied, physically more demanding, and has a different vocal style to classic rock, but the genres are otherwise basically the same.

Isn't punk characterised by enthusiasm, and doesn't that enthusiasm introduce a difference between punk and all other musical styles? It's not that other styles have *no* enthusiasm, but that it doesn't show so much, whereas in punk, it's a defining characteristic?

Not that it matters all that much; just chatting.

Pattern-chaser wrote: ↑February 29th, 2024, 9:41 am Isn't punk characterised by enthusiasm, and doesn't that enthusiasm introduce a difference between punk and all other musical styles? It's not that other styles have *no* enthusiasm, but that it doesn't show so much, whereas in punk, it's a defining characteristic?

Not that it matters all that much; just chatting.

Basically, what is a kid to do when their (painfully square) parents have long hair, smoked dope, dropped acid and listened to rock n roll?

Gotta invent something to freak em out. Let's put safety pins on our ears and wear a Mohawk.

LuckyR wrote: ↑February 29th, 2024, 1:50 pm

Pattern-chaser wrote: ↑February 29th, 2024, 9:41 am Isn't punk characterised by enthusiasm, and doesn't that enthusiasm introduce a difference between punk and all other musical styles? It's not that other styles have *no* enthusiasm, but that it doesn't show so much, whereas in punk, it's a defining characteristic?

Not that it matters all that much; just chatting. 😉

Basically, what is a kid to do when their (painfully square) parents have long hair, smoked dope, dropped acid and listened to rock n roll?

Gotta invent something to freak em out. Let's put safety pins on our ears and wear a Mohawk.

Today they'll experiment with queerness and non-binary identification before finally breaking their hippie parents' hearts by becoming besuited bankers and accountants.

Sy Borg wrote: ↑March 2nd, 2024, 8:24 pm

LuckyR wrote: ↑February 29th, 2024, 1:50 pm

Pattern-chaser wrote: ↑February 29th, 2024, 9:41 am Isn't punk characterised by enthusiasm, and doesn't that enthusiasm introduce a difference between punk and all other musical styles? It's not that other styles have *no* enthusiasm, but that it doesn't show so much, whereas in punk, it's a defining characteristic?

Not that it matters all that much; just chatting.

Basically, what is a kid to do when their (painfully square) parents have long hair, smoked dope, dropped acid and listened to rock n roll?

Gotta invent something to freak em out. Let's put safety pins on our ears and wear a Mohawk.

Today they'll experiment with queerness and non-binary identification before finally breaking their hippie parents' hearts by becoming besuited bankers and accountants.

Exactly, though their grandparents are hippies, their parents are punk rockers or rappers.

LuckyR wrote: ↑March 3rd, 2024, 2:12 am Exactly, though their grandparents are hippies, their parents are punk rockers or rappers.

Point of information (and nothing more than that).

The punks followed directly after the hippies, who had not yet grown enough to have children in time for them to become punks. Rappers came along rather later, as I remember, so it seems quite possible that the children of hippies might become rap-lovers.

Pattern-chaser wrote: ↑March 3rd, 2024, 8:54 am

LuckyR wrote: ↑March 3rd, 2024, 2:12 am Exactly, though their grandparents are hippies, their parents are punk rockers or rappers.

Point of information (and nothing more than that).

The punks followed directly after the hippies, who had not yet grown enough to have children in time for them to become punks. Rappers came along rather later, as I remember, so it seems quite possible that the children of hippies might become rap-lovers.

As a slightly-too-late hippie I tried to stay current but only made it to the 90s. After that, music seems kind of mechanical. So my idea of cool rap is hopelessly dated, eg. Grandmaster Flash's The Message. Or Sun Ra's Nuclear War - released in 1984 and still appropriate. * Language warning for delicate petals who worry about naughty words:

This minimalist composition creates a contemplative atmosphere, conducive to deep thought and reflection. This is what I usually listen to when I don't know what to play:"Spiegel im Spiegel" by Arvo Pärt

Roughly translated:

Cry, my love, for this world is a cruel place ...
In the end, inns and palaces stand empty ...

I love this. First heard it several years ago but I still break it out on occasion just because it's both a great example of a band covering another band's song really made it their own and did it in a way that added something.

From another thread:

JackDaydream wrote: ↑April 10th, 2024, 10:11 am The mistreatment of the earth was captured in the Doors' song, 'When the Music's Over':
'What have they done to the earth, yeah?
What have they done to our fair sister?
Ravaged and plunged and plundered and ripped and bit her
Struck her with knives in the side of dawn
Tied her with fences and dragged her down...'

'When the music's over', the long version, from 'Absolutely Live'