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Thinking critical wrote:I'm not your school teacher, why don't you go do your own research? The stomache is part of the Embryo, any and all embryo's will give rise to germs. Germs are bacteria, all living things carry bacteria, they evolve and attack the immune system.

For a start, you can't spell stomach correctly. Stomachs have nothing whatsoever to do with embryos. Your understanding of biology is appalling. I would say that most primary school students would know far more about biology than you do.

Thinking critical wrote: Germs are bacteria, all living things carry bacteria, they evolve and attack the immune system.

Bacteria is essential to the health of the body. Scientists are just beginning to understand this. Among people such as myself who have been studying human health for a long time, this was pretty obvious. There is 10x more bacteria in the human body than human cells. If bacteria was really harmful, we would all be dead by now.

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Who knows what is really going on other than since the 1980s immune deficiency problems have skyrocketed. Did the medical industry ever consider the possibility that it is their own harsh chemical treatments that are causing the problems? I mean, just consider the possibility?? Exactly how much RAID can you throw into a pond before the pond is totally destroyed?

AIDS and HIV are just old diseases renamed. Where did gonorrhea, syphilis and herpies go to since AIDS arrived? Just vanished into thin air? No, AIDS is a 'new disease' which gets lots of research money to 'find a cure'.

Really, you’re reducing to school yard tactics, name calling and nit picking at spelling which is completely off the subject. Since you obviously don't have the ability to participate in an intelligent conversation, there's no point carrying on. Every time you are intellectually dominated (which is every topic you comment in) you attempt to attack the integrity of the people you're talking with, it's childish behaviour, but doesn't surprise me the slightest judging by the mentality you’ve displayed on this site.

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Bacteria is essential to the health of the body. Scientists are just beginning to understand this. Among people such as myself who have been studying human health for a long time, this was pretty obvious. There is 10x more bacteria in the human body than human cells. If bacteria was really harmful, we would all be dead by now.

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To be specific there's actualy 10 times more microbial cells than human cells. Yes, it's NO secret that the majority of the bacteria we carry helps to keep us healthy.

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Who knows what is really going on other than since the 1980s immune deficiency problems have skyrocketed. Did the medical industry ever consider the possibility that it is their own harsh chemical treatments that are causing the problems? I mean, just consider the possibility?? Exactly how much RAID can you throw into a pond before the pond is totally destroyed?

AIDS and HIV are just old diseases renamed. Where did gonorrhea, syphilis and herpies go to since AIDS arrived? Just vanished into thin air? No, AIDS is a 'new disease' which gets lots of research money to 'find a cure'.

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That may be the dumbest reply you've posted to date. Gonorrhea syphilis and herpes are still around, HIV is a completely different virus all together. Basic research would show you that.

Thinking critical wrote:To be specific there's actualy 10 times more microbial cells than human cells. Yes, it's NO secret that the majority of the bacteria we carry helps to keep us healthy.

Right. Bacteria are essential to good health. Killing them off with broad based antibiotics causes harm to the body. The body is a eco-system of life and throwing chemicals in it creates unforeseen consequences, just as throwing chemicals in the pond leads to unforeseen consequences. Sure, you will kill the mosquitoes and with them you will be killing of the pond in general - possibly for good. After all, tens of thousands of people are killed every year in hospitals (hundreds of thousands around the world) from incorrect medical treatment. This makes hospitals one of the largest causes of accidental death in the world.

Bringing a person back to good health requires lots of knowledge and skill. It means removing the fundamental causes, which are not the bacteria per se. What has to be healed is the cause of the bacteria growth. It is not not always easy to find the root causes but that is the differences between a skilled physician and crude hacker. In this regard, graduates from medical schools have virtually no knowledge and skills. It has to be learned via experience unless someone can find a teacher who understands the principles of true healing.

Antibiotics don't kill people....So what if some of our natural bacteria get killed? If I'm dying of some bacterially infected wound, killing some benign bacteria would be the least of my concern.

Geordie Ross wrote:Antibiotics don't kill people....So what if some of our natural bacteria get killed? If I'm dying of some bacterially infected wound, killing some benign bacteria would be the least of my concern.

Your way of thinking is very representative of the average, uniformed person. You are slowly destroying your own good health and don't have a clue that you are doing it. That is why in the U.S. we are spending $8000/yr per capita (almost twice that of any other developed nation) on medical care and still have the worse life expectancy of any developed nation and are actually on par with underdeveloped nations. Your way to good health is making you sicker and as you get older you more and more will reap the consequences. But it is your body not mine so do with it as you wish.

Nonsense. Antibiotics make you worse than letting an infected wound rot away? Septic poisoning is a better fate than killing some pro-biotics?

How do you not see this view as obscene, absurd, and dangerous? You seem to think its some illuminati conspiracy to make pharmaceutical companies money. All you're doing is spreading mistrust.

Geordie Ross wrote:Nonsense. Antibiotics make you worse than letting an infected wound rot away? Septic poisoning is a better fate than killing some pro-biotics?

As I have said, you are lacking knowledge and skill.

And you're lacking conviction in your own belief. Show me a single case where antibiotics have killed someone, and I'll show you millions of cases of people dying due to infection.

Geordie Ross wrote:And you're lacking conviction in your own belief.

Lacking so much that I have followed this advice for the last 32 years. Results: excellent health for me and my family.

As for anti-biotics, just google "deaths from antibiotics". And this just scratches the surface.

I can't believe that in the 21st century, people think antibiotics are worse than the bacteria that infect them.

I don't care if you have been lucky enough to avoid serious illness all your life, many millions of people aren't so lucky, and many millions of lives have been saved by antibiotics including my own. They're a medical miracle, and its almost sacrilege to say they're more dangerous than bacteria.

If you ever find yourself with a compound fracture with exposed bone, or you get sepsis, tell your doctors you don't want antibiotics, give them your reasons, they'll sedate you and force you to take them. If they didn't, they'd be arrested for manslaughter after your inevitable death.

PS, I'm not wishing harm upon you, I'm just using hypothetical situations.

Geordie Ross wrote:I can't believe that in the 21st century, people think antibiotics are worse than the bacteria that infect them.

Of course many people do. People who have either through experience or study have come to realize that there are far, far better alternatives. You are stuck because you lack the knowledge and skills and you lack the foresight to seek something. So most probably you will end up with backs of pills to take every week just like many of my friends. It is an interesting path to follow, albeit quite unhealthy.

I don't care if you have been lucky

Remember, it my whole family that has been so lucky. But I prefer to call it wise, studious, and interested.

If you ever find yourself with a compound fracture with exposed bone, or you get sepsis, tell your doctors you don't want antibiotics, give them your reasons, they'll sedate you and force you to take them.

You are so afraid of so many things.

If they didn't, they'd be arrested for manslaughter after your inevitable death.

I know. Everyone is so afraid of lawsuits if they don't do what the pharmaceuticals have mandated. And as a result, tens of thousands and hundreds of thousands of people die in hospitals each year from incorrect treatment. Do you suppose the medical profession should take ownership for all of the people that are dying because of incorrect treatment? That's quite a bit. Which do you think people should fear more? For me, it is not a tough call at all.

Of course many people do. People who have either through experience or study have come to realize that there are far, far better alternatives. You are suck because you lack the knowledge and skills and you lack the foresight to seek something. So most probably you will end up with backs of pills to take every week just like many of my friends. It is an interesting path to follow, albeit quite unhealthy.

OK, name these "far, far better alternatives", tell me how to cure sepsis. No one takes antibiotics every week; they're a temporary drug, and they're used with caution as bacteria evolve resistance. You're talking about the use of medical drugs in general, antidepressants, painkillers, antipsychotics, etc.

Also, do me a favour, leave the ad hominem attacks out, you don't know me, you can't judge me.

Remember, it my whole family that has been so lucky. But I prefer to call it wise, studious, and interested.

I'll ask, has any member of your family had a large open wound or a compound fracture? Or a chest infection? Ear infection? Tooth infection?

You are so afraid of so many things

Wrong again, I don't fear bacteria, I know that my immune system will take care of me, and if my immune system fails, I have a range of antibiotics to fall back on.

I know. Everyone is so afraid of lawsuits if they don't do what the pharmaceuticals have mandated. And as a result, tens of thousands and hundreds of thousands of people die in hospitals each year from incorrect treatment. Do you suppose the medical profession should take ownership for all of the people that are dying because of incorrect treatment? That's quite a bit. Which do you think people should fear more? For me, it is not a tough call at all.

Again, wrong! The doctors aren't afraid of lawsuits, they're afraid of failing their patients, if someone has a life threatening infection, you use antibiotics, because they WORK. Give me the statistics of these "hundreds of thousands" of people dying through "incorrect treatments"?

Which do you think people should fear more? For ,e, its not a tough call at all

Tell me if you feel the same if you acquire a life threatening infection. You've admitted you've never needed a MD in your life, therefore you're in no position to criticise the medical profession, you may believe you're informed, but you have no experience of it. You're dangerously misinformed, you have been pumped full of propaganda, and I hope you never need life saving treatment.