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Me shredding some Apaches back in October. Felt great to finally nail that.

5PRYME - Walking Apaches
https://soundcloud.com/5pryme/walking-apaches-128-bpm

For all of the fans of King Crimson, I'd really recommend The Madness of Many album, it's by a band called Animals as Leaders (love that name) but it's very 'Thrak', no vocalist in the band but very similar crunchy prog rock.

Thanks for the tip. I'll check them out....

I haven't listened to that since around 1974, when it was released.

Pattern-chaser wrote: ↑February 3rd, 2022, 12:57 pm I haven't listened to that since around 1974, when it was released.

The more time goes on and I keep listening to music from other times, with the appreciation as to what goes into making it all work, I see where it's been less about musical progress than picking different orchards. I don't know if I'd go quite as far as saying it all peaked in the 70's and went downhill from there, it at least seems to have peaked in some ways albeit some of that's returning now as well. I really get the feeling that it's more like a certain way of doing things gets strip-mined, tapped out, and things change because the trees in the orchard are stripped to the bark.

I remember the times, back in 1997 and 1998 when I was still a teen, alternative rock was really turning to crap, and then dark drum n bass hit my radar and it's like a whole new world opened up, ie. other orchards, where the Headbanger's Ball of the early 90's was falling off, as was the skater thrash, the grittier alternative, etc.. To me it almost felt like they were tapping into a mystical/supernatural reservoir but doing it in a way that was urban, gritty, multiracial, etc.. It seems like each orchard has it's five or ten years where the time to be there was in that space. You'll have some faint echoes maybe twenty or twenty-five years later but for the most part if those echoes can't completely rebuild the old concept enough to find whole new orchards to explore then they're mostly just raking in nostalgia points. In that sense I think prog rock's best decade was perhaps the 70's even if it's gotten quite prolific today.

Sorry if that was a bit of a long winding spiel, I've just been feeling a bit of Mark Fisher's warning in 'Slow Cancellation of the Future', and it seems by and large to be about that conceptual depletion, which makes me wonder what will even be left to excavate in another twenty or thirty years - probably not a lot.

Canadian dream pop band "Alvvays"

Papus79 wrote: ↑February 10th, 2022, 11:55 pm

Pattern-chaser wrote: ↑February 3rd, 2022, 12:57 pm I haven't listened to that since around 1974, when it was released. 😉

The more time goes on and I keep listening to music from other times, with the appreciation as to what goes into making it all work, I see where it's been less about musical progress than picking different orchards. I don't know if I'd go quite as far as saying it all peaked in the 70's and went downhill from there, it at least seems to have peaked in some ways albeit some of that's returning now as well. I really get the feeling that it's more like a certain way of doing things gets strip-mined, tapped out, and things change because the trees in the orchard are stripped to the bark.

I remember the times, back in 1997 and 1998 when I was still a teen, alternative rock was really turning to crap, and then dark drum n bass hit my radar and it's like a whole new world opened up, ie. other orchards, where the Headbanger's Ball of the early 90's was falling off, as was the skater thrash, the grittier alternative, etc.. To me it almost felt like they were tapping into a mystical/supernatural reservoir but doing it in a way that was urban, gritty, multiracial, etc.. It seems like each orchard has it's five or ten years where the time to be there was in that space. You'll have some faint echoes maybe twenty or twenty-five years later but for the most part if those echoes can't completely rebuild the old concept enough to find whole new orchards to explore then they're mostly just raking in nostalgia points. In that sense I think prog rock's best decade was perhaps the 70's even if it's gotten quite prolific today.

Sorry if that was a bit of a long winding spiel, I've just been feeling a bit of Mark Fisher's warning in 'Slow Cancellation of the Future', and it seems by and large to be about that conceptual depletion, which makes me wonder what will even be left to excavate in another twenty or thirty years - probably not a lot.

In the 70s, music was one of the primary forms of entertainment. Music has always acted as background for social events, movies and rituals but it also had a strong presence in itself. People would put on a song and just listen. Now there usually needs to be associated multimedia content, be it video or games. Music is now not often taken on its own terms - art for art's sake - but it must earn its keep as a helper as people become ever more visually oriented.

I loved the old prog rock of the 70s. I was into music for the magical moments, and I found prog was good at delivering them. Later prog, as with other forms of rock, did not really extend the form, rather just refine aspects.

I have a feeling that games will similarly subsume movies.

Of the new bands, I really enjoy Dirty Loops, who meld infectious pop ideas and production with insane skills, all played with a sense of fun.