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[Gregorygregg1]

allow for a moment that space is dimension without substance. and that "nothing" can be represented as having no dimension.
Allow that matter is potential energy. E=MC2, or M=E/C2
Allow also that a black hole is a point in the universe without dimension.
Finallly allow that the universe may be represented as a mathematical set in which both dimension and no dimension exist, 0 and infinity.
Now, imagine an inflated latex balloon. The air inside the balloon maintains the stretch of the latex. The tendency of the latex to resume its unstretched dimension manifests as potential energy, in other words, the stretch traps the potential energy of the balloon.
Consider the hypothesis that matter is the potential energy trapped by the tension resulting from the stretch of space applied by a black hole, or the absence of dimension. Matter then is a "thinning of dimension."

Gravity then would be the tendency of space to resume its unstretched dimension. Dimension then flows toward matter as the result of its tendency to resume its unstretched nature, while the stretch is constantly maintained by the black hole. the appearance of galaxies indicates that matter concentrates toward the center, where the black hole is theoretically located. The greater the concentration of mass, the thinner dimension becomes, the more stretched space is, and the greater the forces of gravity, the tendency of space to resume its unstretched state. At the center of the black hole, there is infinite gravity because there is 0 dimension.

Falsify away
GG

[Cronos988]

I am unsure on what you mean by your mathematical set that contains both "0" and "infinity". My mathematic knowledge is very lacking, unfortunately, so I cannot quite grasp what you mean. Do you mean a set of equations?

Again I am having problems with your characterisation of gravity. As far as my layman's knowledge is concerned, matter "flows" towards matter. If Dimension is the absence of matter, then matter does not "flow" towars dimension?

[Gregorygregg1]

I am unsure on what you mean by your mathematical set that contains both "0" and "infinity". My mathematic knowledge is very lacking, unfortunately, so I cannot quite grasp what you mean. Do you mean a set of equations??

I intend a set, like the mandelbrodt set. It is the basis for some fabulous images. Check it out on Google.

Again I am having problems with your characterisation of gravity. As far as my layman's knowledge is concerned, matter "flows" towards matter. If Dimension is the absence of matter, then matter does not "flow" towars dimension?[/quote]

You have to imagine matter as the absence of something (space) rather than the presence of something. It's a look from the other side. Abandon the concept of Matter as substance, but view it as the absence of absolute space, the dimension without substance.

Another way of seeing this is if you imagine you have a gram of aluminum and a gram of lead. Which has more dimension? The aluminum excludes less space, so it has more dimension. If you start with loose snow and begin to make a snowball by compressing the snow, you are excluding space so the snowball becomes smaller and denser, it has less dimension. the density of the snowball is directly proportional to the amount of space you exclude. the same holds true on the subatomic level. The denser a substance, the less dimension it has. Matter then is the exclusion of dimension. We then may represent it as a stretching, or thinning of dimension ie. space. Gravity is a result of that stretch. It is dimension rebounding.

[FALCON]

Gregory in your proposal "nothingness" has a large potential energy and in turn is controlled by Poles in dispute. When it comes to harmony in your narrative is all gravitating. This paradisiacal image is like the history of personal life. I suggest the following idea: the Universe-brain influences and proposed coexistence between many worlds that on a small scale, our experiential level, are entities (Greek atoms). With this in mind the universe-brain wants to distinguish for the material potential energies that are present are irreconcilable and aspire to defeat one another because they have opposite structure. This battle is present and will be forever but it is not the task that the Universe-brain has. The area in which we are going to work is that of the control, we have the brain tool we will be monitoring and will conveniently have great energy on the basis of an agreement (already talking in terms of the large scale).

[Gregorygregg1]

Gregory in your proposal "nothingness" has a large potential energy and in turn is controlled by Poles in dispute. When it comes to harmony in your narrative is all gravitating.

I do not say there is no harmony in the universe. In any system balanced between two poles, there is a point of harmony. We are probably positioned at the optimum point of harmony in the universe.

This paradisiacal image is like the history of personal life. I suggest the following idea: the Universe-brain influences and proposed coexistence between many worlds that on a small scale, our experiential level, are entities (Greek atoms). With this in mind the universe-brain wants to distinguish for the material potential energies that are present are irreconcilable and aspire to defeat one another because they have opposite structure. This battle is present and will be forever but it is not the task that the Universe-brain has. The area in which we are going to work is that of the control, we have the brain tool we will be monitoring and will conveniently have great energy on the basis of an agreement (already talking in terms of the large scale).

Habla de control. Es esta una nueva cosa, o algo que siempre ha existido. ¿Habla del cerebro del universo, piensa usted una inteligencia más alta? ¿Dónde reside el cerebro del universo?
Vive el traductor de Google!

[Cronos988]

Another way of seeing this is if you imagine you have a gram of aluminum and a gram of lead. Which has more dimension? The aluminum excludes less space, so it has more dimension. If you start with loose snow and begin to make a snowball by compressing the snow, you are excluding space so the snowball becomes smaller and denser, it has less dimension. the density of the snowball is directly proportional to the amount of space you exclude. the same holds true on the subatomic level. The denser a substance, the less dimension it has. Matter then is the exclusion of dimension. We then may represent it as a stretching, or thinning of dimension ie. space. Gravity is a result of that stretch. It is dimension rebounding.

Ah, I see your point now. Space tries to reform, so it exerts a force on the no-space-pockets, making them as small as possible.

This makes sense on first glance, but on second thought: Would that not make matter diffuse itself? Because if space "rebounds" and pushes non-space together, it also compresses the non-space even more, which should act as a counter-force, getting stronger. The maximum of dimension would seemingly be acquired by distributing matter equally across space, giving space as a whole 99,9% pure dimension.

[Gregorygregg1]

Another way of seeing this is if you imagine you have a gram of aluminum and a gram of lead. Which has more dimension? The aluminum excludes less space, so it has more dimension. If you start with loose snow and begin to make a snowball by compressing the snow, you are excluding space so the snowball becomes smaller and denser, it has less dimension. the density of the snowball is directly proportional to the amount of space you exclude. the same holds true on the subatomic level. The denser a substance, the less dimension it has. Matter then is the exclusion of dimension. We then may represent it as a stretching, or thinning of dimension ie. space. Gravity is a result of that stretch. It is dimension rebounding.

Ah, I see your point now. Space tries to reform, so it exerts a force on the no-space-pockets, making them as small as possible.

This makes sense on first glance, but on second thought: Would that not make matter diffuse itself? Because if space "rebounds" and pushes non-space together, it also compresses the non-space even more, which should act as a counter-force, getting stronger. The maximum of dimension would seemingly be acquired by distributing matter equally across space, giving space as a whole 99,9% pure dimension.

Matter does not disperse itself because it forms as a result of a black hole. Black holes are actually the absolute absence of dimension. The gravity of a black hole is such that all space, even subatomic space is eliminated. At that point there is no dimension at all, nothing. Matter continually feeds into the black hole. Look at the galaxy and you can see it swirling down the drain. On the other hand, matter, the stretching of space forms as a result of the tension between the absolute substanceless dimension of space and the absolute absence of dimension of the black hole, so the supply is endless. It is the Vedic image of the snake eating its own tail. As a whole, I might suggest that the amount of matter in space is so negligible, includiing the matter around black holes, that it can be ignored, except of course that it is where we exist.

[FALCON]

Habla de control. Es esta una nueva cosa, o algo que siempre ha existido. ¿Habla del cerebro del universo, piensa usted una inteligencia más alta? ¿Dónde reside el cerebro del universo?
Vive el traductor de Google![/quote]

Siempre ha existido el control!!!!.
Pero es un pensamiento necesariamiente nuevo que ordena todos las sutilezas porque rompe la barrera sensorial para darnos un espacio de comprension en el contexto Universo-Cerebro. El universo-cerebro nos ofrece crecimiento y apoyo. Esto no es religion es amor al trabajo.
Gregory te pido apoyo para hacerme entender. muchas gracias por tus preguntas[/quote]

[Cronos988]

I am not 100% sure on the validity of your theory, mainly because I am no physicist. But I do have one argument: Occam's Razor. Your theory seems awfully complicated, and I cannot see what it accomplishes.

So let me ask the obvious question: What would that entail?

[FALCON]

Gregory, his proposal revises the possibility that the potential energy with high mass density, maintains the gravitational field. Our thinking planeta-cerebro currently has a tendency in this regard. A new commitment should arise if he is revised formulates it in the opposite direction. Instead toward potential energy formulates it in favour of the kinetic energy. And both are working together and are held with flows upstream. The universo-cerebro is so floating. High energy systems are placed on a part of the cosmos and dense, towards the other side of the cosmos are placed high energy and dispersion. Review the diagram right (temperature-entropy). There is a process against the flow. Because thought planeta-cerebro does not work like the universo-cerebro thinking? To make it right you should see against the current master plan planeta-cerebro. A philosophical thesis in correspondence with the universo-cerebro must defend the reversible. Everything is right forward and right back. Moves everything to the contrary and are not destroyed, they complement each other! A contrary to the current master plan aims to review the evidence of the facts where there are occurrences of high energy, contrary to the current master plan is reviewed where high-density masica and its gravitational. The Universo-cerebro thought my discretion defends masters worlds exist and have trade. Evidence of another scheme: 1.-grain of pollen, 2.-Ray spherical.
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Gregory, su propuesta revisa la posibilidad de que la energía potencial con alta densidad másica, sostiene el campo gravitatorio. Nuestro pensamiento planeta-cerebro actualmente tiene tendencia dirigida en ese sentido.
Un nuevo compromiso debe surgir si se revisa la formula en sentido contrario.
En lugar de hacia la energía potencial colocar la formula a favor de la energía cinética. Y ambas están colaborando y se sostienen con flujos a contracorriente. Así está flotando el universo-cerebro.
Hacia una parte del cosmos se colocan los sistemas de alta energía y densos, hacia la otra parte del cosmos se colocan los de alta energía y dispersión. Revisar el diagrama T-S (temperatura- entropía). Existe un proceso a contracorriente.
¿Porque el pensamiento planeta-cerebro no funciona igual que el pensamiento universo-cerebro? Para que fuera correcto debería verse a contra corriente el plan maestro planeta-cerebro. Una tesis filosófica en correspondencia con el universo-cerebro debe defender lo reversible.
Todo es correcto hacia adelante y es correcto para atrás. ¡Se mueve todo en sentido contrario y no se destruyen, se complementan!
Un plan maestro contrario al actual tiene como propósito revisar las evidencias de hechos donde existan apariciones de alta energía, contrario al plan maestro actual donde se revisa la de alta densidad masica y su gravitacion. El pensamiento Universo-cerebro según mi criterio defiende de que amos mundos existen y tienen comercio.
Evidencias de otro esquema: 1.-grano de polen, 2.-rayo esférico.

[Gregorygregg1]

¿Porque el pensamiento planeta-cerebro no funciona igual que el pensamiento universo-cerebro? Para que fuera correcto debería verse a contra corriente el plan maestro planeta-cerebro. Una tesis filosófica en correspondencia con el universo-cerebro debe defender lo reversible.
Todo es correcto hacia adelante y es correcto para atrás. ¡Se mueve todo en sentido contrario y no se destruyen, se complementan!
El pensamiento Universo-cerebro según mi criterio defiende de que amos mundos existen y tienen comercio.
Evidencias de otro esquema: 1.-grano de polen, 2.-rayo esférico.

Estoy de acuerdo, el universo parece ser una calle de dos vías. Por todo lo que ocurre en una dirección, hay una cosa de contrapeso pasa en la otra dirección.
Todavía no estoy seguro de lo que entendemos por el universo-cerebro. Parece que hay cierta evidencia de que los seres humanos están evolucionando en la conciencia de la vida. Pero como todo lo que percibimos, depende de nuestro punto de vista.

Cronos988 wrote:
I am not 100% sure on the validity of your theory, mainly because I am no physicist. But I do have one argument: Occam's Razor. Your theory seems awfully complicated, and I cannot see what it accomplishes.

So let me ask the obvious question: What would that entail?

GG replies,
Thought is like a stream, we do not control it. In the stream there are delicious fish and poisonous fish. This appears to be a big delicious fish. I pulled it out, but without a background in physics there is no way to cook it.

This is as far as I have gotten with it:
A Theory of Space and Mater

Abstract: This is a theory of space and matter. It examines the relationship between the two, it has potential importance because it adheres to Ockham's razor to provide the simplest answer to the nature of space and matter. It supports the theory for the existence of singularities, upon which it is based. It provides an answer to the question of how dimension (space) and absence of dimension,(a singularity) can exist simultaneously, and it provides a rationale for a novel explanation of gravity, explaining the reason that bodies of different mass fall at the same rate on the basis that it is not a mass effect, but a dimension effect. It takes a new look at matter as an absence of dimension, rather than a presence of substance. It complies with Einstein's theory of relativity. The current theory of an expanding universe fails to answer the basic question: If space is infinite, how can it expand? This theory explains the apparent expansion of space while maintaining a steady state universe. It is however supported by the observation that the universe appears to be expanding.

Assumption #1: The "stuff" of the universe is not matter, but space. Define space as dimension without substance.

Assumption #2: Space is infinite. This appears self evident because space can only be contained by more space.

Assumption #3: The singularities at the center of galaxies are the nothing. Define "nothing" as "having no dimension"

Hypothesis: In order for singularities to exist there must be a transition. There is logically a great deal of tension in the transition zone. Einsteinian physics indicates that mater and energy are interchangeable. The energy resulting from the tension of the transition between space and nothing results in the manifestation of the energy of that tension as mater. Mater, in this
scenario is the potential energy of the "stretching" of space.
Imagine an inflated latex balloon. The air inside the balloon maintains the stretch of the latex. The tendency of the latex to resume its unstretched dimension manifests as potential energy, in other words, the stretch traps the potential energy of the balloon.
Consider the hypothesis that matter is the potential energy of the tension resulting from the stretch of space applied by the singularity, or the absence of dimension. Mater then is a "thinning of dimension."
Another way of seeing this is, if you have a gram of aluminum and a gram of lead. Which has more dimension? The aluminum excludes less space, so it has more dimension. Or, if you start with loose snow and begin to make a snowball by compressing the snow, you are excluding space so the snowball becomes smaller and denser, it has less dimension. The density of the snowball is directly proportional to the amount of space you exclude. The same holds true on the subatomic level. The denser a substance, the less dimension it has. Mater then is the exclusion of dimension (space). We then may represent it as a stretching, or thinning of dimension ie. space. Gravity is a result of that stretch. It is dimension rebounding
Let us define mater then as a transitional state between substanceless dimension, which is the nature of absolute space, and nothing, the absence of dimension, which is theoretically the nature of a singularity.
The exclusion of space by mater is relatively sketchy in the part of the galaxy where Earth resides. Even where mater exists, it is mostly space on the subatomic scale. This changes dramatically where mater is denser. Near a singularity gravity condenses mater to a point that subatomic space is reduced. At the center of the singularity all space is eliminated, and since mater, in this hypothesis defined as an absence of dimension, becomes absolute, it becomes nothing.

This hypothesis explains the reason the the smallest indivisible particle of mater cannot be found, because it does not exist. Since it is potential energy, it only potentially exists. This accounts for the fuzziness of subatomic science. What exists are the stored forces of spacial stretch.
Gravity results from spacial stretch as well. Dimension rushes toward any mass because it is the absence of dimension. The greater the mass, the more absence of dimension, the greater the gravity. The attraction of one body for another is a result of the diminishing dimension between them as dimension rushes toward both. The dimension, or distance between them diminishes as it is flowing toward both. The attraction appears as a mass effect as well, because mass is the absence of space. The result is that dimension drawn to fill the absence where there is mater, carries with it more matter, and therefore more absence to attract dimension more strongly. This explains why objects of different mass fall at the same rate. It is not the masses that are affected by gravity, but the dimension between them and the mass to which they fall.
Allowing that matter is potential energy. E=MC2, or M=E/C2 .
Allowing also that a singularity is a point in the universe without dimension.
Finally allowing that the universe may be represented as a mathematical set in which both dimension and no dimension exist simultaneously, 0 and infinity. I would predict the mathematical description of the universe must be an equation who's solution is both infinity and nothing.

Again, gravity in this theory would be the tendency of space to resume its unstretched dimension. Dimension then flows toward matter as the result of its tendency to resume its unstretched nature, while the stretch is constantly maintained by the singularity. This is born out by the appearance of galaxies with matter concentrating toward the center, where the singularity is theoretically located. The greater the concentration of mass, the thinner dimension becomes, the more stretched space is, and the greater the forces of gravity (the tendency of space to resume its unstretched state.) At the center of the singularity, there is infinite gravity because there is 0 dimension. nothing.Matter, the relative absence of space continually feeds into the black hole where it is compressed to nothing by absolute gravity. Look at the galaxy and you can see it swirling down the drain. On the other hand, matter, the stretching of space, forms as a result of the tension between the absolute substanceless dimension of space and the absolute absence of dimension of the singularity, so the supply is endless. It is the Vedic image of the snake eating its own tail. This scenario does not require a big bang, and implies an infinite steady state. Since each galaxy represents a singularity, space appears to be constantly expanding because dimension is flowing toward them. At the same time dimension is continually flowing toward our galaxy as well. That makes it appear as if space is expanding.

This theory would be disproved by:
1. The falsification of the theory of the existence of singularities.
2. The finding that mater is not a manifestation of potential energy.
3. A demonstration that two masses of equal volume but where one is more dense(excluding more dimension) have equal gravity.
4. A demonstration that two bodies of equal mass, but where one has less volume have unequal gravity. Since gravity is dependent, not on density, but on the amount of space excluded, a product of density and volume.

I don't have a complex mind, If I did, this would have taken a lot more space to explain.

[FALCON]

Gregory.
I have a lot of pleasure in understanding the state of the things that you propose. It is truly beautiful, it is harmonious.
I wanted to talk about the " DIMENSION " to explain that in the hypothetical case that the dimension is not homogeneous that is affected by other " DIMENSIONS ", or that when bouncing it is no longer the same one: We have a problem.
Your tell us:
The Dimension this absentee in the singular thing,
The dimension is stretched among the masses;
Then: Their absences and appearances are the house-nature.
I want to possess the treasure DIMENSION that is the currency of change of the universe. I want to take out gold-dimension of the mines, leave to conquer other worlds.
I want to give him a name: The Motor of Gregory.
It is a motor that Big-Bang doesn't need,
Gregory, you could help me to continue thinking because I believe that if Your and I isolate the mecansmo, it can solve some matter.
Your friend

Gregory.
Tengo mucho gusto en comprender el estado de las cosas que propones. Verdaderamente es bello, es armonioso.
Yo quisiera hablar sobre la "DIMENSION" para explicar que en el caso hipotético que la dimension no sea homogénea, que sea afectada por otras "DIMENSIONES", o que al rebotar ya no sea la misma: Tenemos un problema.
Tu nos dices:
La Dimension esta ausente en lo singular,
La dimension es estirada entre las masas;
Entonces: Sus ausencias y apariciones son la casa-natura.
Yo quiero poseer el tesoro DIMENSION, que es la moneda de cambio del universo. Quiero sacar oro-dimension de las minas, para irme a conquistar otros mundos.
Yo quiero darle un nombre: El Motor de Gregory.
Es un motor que no necesita Big-Bang.
Gregory, podrias ayudarme a seguir pensando porque creo que si aislamos Tu y Yo el mecansmo, puede resolver algun asunto.
Tu amigo
Falcon

[Wooden shoe]

WOW Gregorygregg WOW!!!

Man, thats a lot of thought. I may have to read that long post many more times to get a good handle on it. This is where I miss an advanced formal education.
I do have an initial question. What about the energy conservation law? I understand that matter and energy are interchangeable, so as matter/energy is attracted to the singularity and is reduced to nothing, does that not mean there is less matter/energy in our universe?
At present I believe the thinking is that perhaps it is compacted to such a point that it becomes anti-matter.
Please keep it as simple as you can for this old fart

[Gregorygregg1]

WOW Gregorygregg WOW!!!

Man, thats a lot of thought. I may have to read that long post many more times to get a good handle on it. This is where I miss an advanced formal education.
I do have an initial question. What about the energy conservation law? I understand that matter and energy are interchangeable, so as matter/energy is attracted to the singularity and is reduced to nothing, does that not mean there is less matter/energy in our universe?
At present I believe the thinking is that perhaps it is compacted to such a point that it becomes anti-matter.
Please keep it as simple as you can for this old fart

Mater is in a steady state because it is the potential energy of the tension between dimension and the singularity. You point up a problem with the theory however: Because electromagnetic energy is emitted as a result of the interaction between dimension and the mass of stars, the net result is not zero, but positive, unless there is something to counterbalance it.

The thinking has been an escape. Our mother is dying. Over the last month or so I have used this forum to keep my mind busy. I am an old fart too. My background is in Biology, so I have no business with this other than as a brain game.

[Wooden shoe]

Hello Gregory.

My back ground as a diesel mechanic is certainly no help in dealing with a subject of this complexity!
On the personal side I have empathy with what you are dealing with.
The very helplessness we feel when someone we love is dying, especially when it is a slow agonizing illness, is very stressful, and often the one dying is wishing for the end to come.
The other part is that we ourselves are smacked in the face with the finite nature of our own existence.
My wife and also our best friend who lives with us, are both working overseas, so I am by myself 10.5 months of the year, so I use this forum to keep my brain from fossilizing because I need more stimulation than my cats can provide.
Should you wish to have more direct communication with a neutral body who has gone through what you are dealing with, I have Gmail voice and Skype available here.