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[amorphos_ii]

I don’t think anyone, ever, has worked this stuff out properly, only now do we have even a basic idea about the nature of the universe and time.

Lagayascienza 

I am aware such generalistic things are bunkum, It is up to the seer to make proper use of them in the particular to the individual inquirer. In ancient Celtic society the village druid would know the people well and so could use such things in addition to his/her knowledge.
Would you deny that the division on the world map of libra is appropriate to china? I mean, the yin/yang is patently a symbol of balance as is libra.

Fanman

for me faith and fate are what the Buddhists call ‘colour’, they are like an overlay – which I agree can be worked with. However fundamentally here we are talking about the ad-hock meaning of time, which is perspective based. Ergo the ‘colour’ elements come into it because that is the way the particular inquirer is taught - how they see it. Its like my astrological world map, if I just divided the world into 12 and gave the divisions numbers, what would that mean? However if I overlay western and eastern astrological concept, then that gives us something to work with.

[Fanman]

amorphos_ii ,

for me faith and fate are what the Buddhists call ‘colour’, they are like an overlay – which I agree can be worked with. However fundamentally here we are talking about the ad-hock meaning of time, which is perspective based. Ergo the ‘colour’ elements come into it because that is the way the particular inquirer is taught - how they see it. Its like my astrological world map, if I just divided the world into 12 and gave the divisions numbers, what would that mean? However if I overlay western and eastern astrological concept, then that gives us something to work with.

Okay, this is quite complex, but I see where you’re coming from. And I agree, that if you overlay western and eastern astrological concepts – that would imbue your map with meaning and each of the 12 divisions would be representative of archetypes. The (old) perceptions of faith and fate would subsist with the (new) 12 divisions, because they remain as what the inquirer is taught. Surely though, time is a huge factor. It is over time that Tarot and astrology have embedded themselves in human cultures. The archetypes are fixed as the authority to change them is long gone. So, even if through some act of genius, you manage to create something that works as well as the current system. Then does the old system become obsolete? What are your thoughts?

[Sy Borg]

The trouble with astrology is that constellations consist of stars that a dozen light years away ad stars that are hundreds of light years away. A star that is a hundred light years away is not impacting Earth.

However, the notion of archetypes is useful - the idea that people can come with sets of traits, leading to modern personality inventories, which ultimately denote archetypes. I think everyone would have noticed how many people they meet seem to be "types", but it's always hard to put your finger on those types.