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[LuckyR]

All those who "consent" to having the road in front of their residence not paved raise your hand. Or having their kid's school not funded. Etc. Any seniors willing to give up their Social Security and Medicare? Anyone?

[Lagayascienza]

Exactly. Reasonable taxation is not theft. It is the price we collectively pay for civilization which as well as roads etcetera includes looking after those who cannot provide for themselves. What is unfair is that the wealthiest and their mega-corporations often pay little or no tax but benefit from the roads and other infrastructure which wage earners pay for with taxation on their wages which is higher than it would need to be if the wealthy and their corporations paid a fair share.

[Eckhart Aurelius Hughes]

Hi, LuckyR,

Thank you for your reply.

Do you think Martin Luther King consented to being in jail?

Do you think the jailing of Martin Luther King was consensual?

in a word: yes.

Surprising.

To me, this feeling reminds me of when someone tells me they think male masturbation is "murder" (as they use the term), and thus want it to be illegal.

I totally and completely disagree, but thank you for your answer.

All those who "consent" to [...]

Since you think that jailing of Martin Luther King was consensual, of course it follows you also think the mere taxing of Martin Luther King was consensual. So please instead reply only in the topic about that:

Did Martin Luther King consent to being arrested and jailed?

There's no point to talk about taxation consensuality with someone who thinks things like the the jailing of MLK are consensual. That would be like talking about late-term abortion legality with someone who is so extremely pro-life that they want masturbation to be illegal. It would be a waste of both our times. For the sake of both of us and our time, I'll talk about only the masturbation issue with the one who is so pro-life they want masturbation illegal (but not abortion), and I'll talk only about the jailing of MLK issue (not taxation) with someone who has such extremely atypical views about government and consent.

So please do reply in the other topic instead:

Did Martin Luther King consent to being arrested and jailed?



With love,
Eckhart Aurelius Hughes

[Eckhart Aurelius Hughes]

Hi, Lagayascienza,

Thank you for your reply!

Reasonable taxation is not theft.

It's unclear what you mean by "reasonable".

Is reasonable sex not rape?

Is reasonable unpaid labor done at threat of jailing not slavery?

Presumably, consent is what matters in regard to those dichotomies, not reasonability.

Perhaps what you meant to say is that, "yes, of course, it's clearly violent robbery, but sometimes violent robbery is reasonable, and I (Lagayascienza) support reasonable violent robbery when it is reasonable." Is that what you meant?

If not, then I'm excited to learn more about your strange different viewpoint in which "reasonableness" is a factor in whether or not a transaction/exchange/interaction between two humans is consensual, so please in that case reply to all 14 of the questions in the following topic:

14 questions for people who somehow believe taxation is NOT theft


With love,
Eckhart Aurelius Hughes

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[LuckyR]

Hi, LuckyR,

Thank you for your reply.

Do you think Martin Luther King consented to being in jail?

Do you think the jailing of Martin Luther King was consensual?

in a word: yes.

A four word snippet?

What I actually posted was:

"Ah so. I get it. Not a "debate" on set criteria, but a poll on "what is your criteria?".

For me, personally, I don't see MLK as giving any more or less consent to being arrested as any other (tax paying) citizen. Given that opinion, I happen to be (one of a minority on this Forum) a believer in the concept of group actions in addition to the well accepted individual actions. Thus while almost no suspected lawbreakers give individual consent to being arrested, I believe that members of the jurisdiction of the police have "given" group consent to the police/prosecutors fulfilling their job responsibilities by using those identical services each and every day. So in a word: yes"

[Eckhart Aurelius Hughes]

Hi, LuckyR,

Hi, LuckyR,

Thank you for your reply.

Do you think Martin Luther King consented to being in jail?

Do you think the jailing of Martin Luther King was consensual?

in a word: yes.

For me, personally, I don't see MLK as giving any more or less consent to being arrested as any other (tax paying) citizen. Given that opinion, I happen to be (one of a minority on this Forum) a believer in the concept of group actions in addition to the well accepted individual actions. Thus while almost no suspected lawbreakers give individual consent to being arrested, I believe that members of the jurisdiction of the police have "given" group consent to the police/prosecutors fulfilling their job responsibilities by using those identical services each and every day. So in a word: yes"

Please do post your interesting explanation/elaboration on why you think the jailing of Martin Luther King was consensual in the topic for that so we can discuss it further:

Did Martin Luther King consent to being arrested and jailed?


With love,
Eckhart Aurelius