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[Eckhart Aurelius Hughes]

Many statists claim that term "legal marital rape" is an oxymoron. They say that if something is legal, at least in a democracy, then it is thus consensual. They claim that "legal marital rape" is not actually rape but rather consensual simply because it is legal.

The statists claim that no matter how much the would-be victim cries and screams "No" and no matter how much she physically fights to stop the sex from occurring and begs for it to not occur, it is still consensual due to some kind of invisible "social contract" that she automatically agrees to simply by happening to be born in that country or on that planet where that government rules.

It seems like blatantly absurd nonsense to me. So I hope some statists who believe such things can come reply in this topic and elaborate and defend that seemingly absurd view for us.

In any case, I ask all posting here to state clearly for the record:

Do you agree with me that so-called "legal marital rape" is indeed actually rape (i.e. non-consensual)?

Or do you somehow believe that so-called "legal marital rape" is somehow consensual and thus not really rape?



For a fictionalized version of legal rape, to get a better visual mental image of what this topic is about, please see this Reel I posted with a clip from the movie Braveheart.


Additionally, if you are interested in discussing the more fundamental and more all-encompassing issues at play, please do read and reply to the following topic of mine too:

Friends, I ask you to oppose ALL non-consensual non-defensive violence, even when it's legal or done by your government.



With love,
Eckhart Aurelius Hughes
a.k.a. Scott

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[Surabhi Rani]

I appreciate your concern for women. I also appreciate that you are generating an awareness of events within us taking place in India and around the world. I agree with you that so-called 'legal marital rape' is indeed actually rape (i.e. non-consensual).

[LuckyR]

Many statists claim that term "legal marital rape" is an oxymoron. They say that if something is legal, at least in a democracy, then it is thus consensual. They claim that "legal marital rape" is not actually rape but rather consensual simply because it is legal.

The statists claim that no matter how much the would-be victim cries and screams "No" and no matter how much she physically fights to stop the sex from occurring and begs for it to not occur, it is still consensual due to some kind of invisible "social contract" that she automatically agrees to simply by happening to be born in that country or on that planet where that government rules.

It seems like blatantly absurd nonsense to me. So I hope some statists who believe such things can come reply in this topic and elaborate and defend that seemingly absurd view for us.

In any case, I ask all posting here to state clearly for the record:

Do you agree with me that so-called "legal marital rape" is indeed actually rape (i.e. non-consensual)?

Or do you somehow believe that so-called "legal marital rape" is somehow consensual and thus not really rape?



For a fictionalized version of legal rape, to get a better visual mental image of what this topic is about, please see this Reel I posted with a clip from the movie Braveheart[/i].


Additionally, if you are interested in discussing the more fundamental and more all-encompassing issues at play, please do read and reply to the following topic of mine too:

[url=https://onlinephilosophyclub.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=18769]Friends, I ask you to oppose ALL non-consensual non-defensive violence, even when it's legal or done by your government.



With love,
Eckhart Aurelius Hughes
a.k.a. Scott




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The answer can be derived from the title "legal marital rape". The term "legal" means that within the jurisdiction being described, the action does not violate rape laws (it is not rape from the perspective of the country's justice system). However the term "rape" means that 1) the wife didn't give consent and 2) from the observer's perspective it is rape likely because of it's non consensual nature. Thus like most things involving morality and especially ethics, it's a matter of perspective as a subjective entity. To me it's rape, to the justice system in question it's not rape.

[Sushan]

Rape is never consensual, regardless of any so-called "legal" definitions. The idea that legality equals consent is deeply flawed and dangerous. Marital rape is still rape, and no legal framework or "social contract" can change the reality of non-consensual violence.

[Eckhart Aurelius Hughes]

Do you agree with me that so-called "legal marital rape" is indeed actually rape (i.e. non-consensual)?

Or do you somehow believe that so-called "legal marital rape" is somehow consensual

Thus like most things involving morality and especially ethics,

This topic and question is not at all about morality or ethics.

The question is not whether so-called "legal marital rape" is immoral.

The question is not whether so-called "legal marital rape" is ethical.

The question is whether it is consensual.

Please do stay on topic.

Please answer the question: Is so-called "legal marital rape" consensual? Yes or no?

I say no, of course it's not consensual. What say you?

[Eckhart Aurelius Hughes]

The idea that legality equals consent is deeply flawed and dangerous. Marital rape is still rape, and no legal framework or "social contract" can change the reality of non-consensual violence.

I agree 100%.

Thank you for your reply!

[Kajori Sheryl Paul]

Legal or not, marital rape is definitely not consensual. It is heinous and a crime.

[LuckyR]

Do you agree with me that so-called "legal marital rape" is indeed actually rape (i.e. non-consensual)?

Or do you somehow believe that so-called "legal marital rape" is somehow consensual

Thus like most things involving morality and especially ethics,

This topic and question is not at all about morality or ethics.

The question is not whether so-called "legal marital rape" is immoral.

The question is not whether so-called "legal marital rape" is ethical.

The question is whether it is consensual.

Please do stay on topic.

Please answer the question: Is so-called "legal marital rape" consensual? Yes or no?

I say no, of course it's not consensual. What say you?

I already said: "to me it's rape..." in the post you selectively quoted.

[Solaaa]

I sometimes wonder if it worse to live in a system that practices "legal marital rape" or one that has no such laws concerning marital matters.

Rape by nature is not consensual and it is sad that the law can be written to say that it is so long as it is in marriage. In other words, the wife in question is but an object of satisfaction for the husband's urges just because she has agreed to build a home alongside him, she has to be subject to such things.

The world really has a long way to go

[JackDaydream]

I agree that legal marital rape is rape. I realise that you are asking whether it is consensual as opposed to ethical. Nevertheless, to see it as all coming down to the issue of consensus seems absurd. It is to elevate the meaning of consensus, as a shared agreement, beyond the realm of ethics entirely. In doing so, it becomes mere pedantics and can be used to support oppression especially under sexist ideologies. It may be used to support the acceptance of rape by implicit assumptions. It is almost like the outdated view of judges that women asked to be raped by dressing provocatively, although this is not legal consensus.

Ideas of consensus, especially those encoded in law, can be treated crudely. That is when the letter of the law is used as opposed to the spirit of the law. That may happen in parts of the world where marital rape is considered as acceptable under the guise of not being rape. The rigid use of consensual agreements may be worth challenging but to see it beyond the issues of ethics, politics and power, is nonsensical.

[baker]

Please answer the question: Is so-called "legal marital rape" consensual? Yes or no?

I say no, of course it's not consensual. What say you?

If, as you like to say, that "success is a choice" and "Nothing is hard. Things can be scary, painful, uncomfortable, sexually frustrating, and expensive, but not hard" then the answer to the above question and your other recent similar one about Jews in Nazi Germany, is Yes.

Your hyper-individualistic philosophy of life namely has such implications.

[Eckhart Aurelius Hughes]

Your hyper-individualistic philosophy of life [implies rape doesn't exist].

No, it doesn't. You've drastically misunderstood it. You'd have to read my book, In It Together: The Beautiful Struggle Uniting Us All to understand it correctly.

Although, I do suppose one would only need read the title of the book to know the philosophy it presents isn't "hyper-individualistic".

Please answer the question: Is so-called "legal marital rape" consensual? Yes or no?

I say no, of course it's not consensual. What say you?

the answer to the above question and your other recent similar one about Jews in Nazi Germany, is Yes.

To be clear, you are saying your answer to the question is yes; correct?


With love,
Eckhart Aurelius Hughes.

[Eckhart Aurelius Hughes]

I agree that legal marital rape is rape.

Great. And to be clear, you also agree with me that "legal marital rape" is not consensual, correct?


With love,
Eckhart Aurelius Hughes

[Eckhart Aurelius Hughes]

Please do stay on topic.

Please answer the question: Is so-called "legal marital rape" consensual? Yes or no?

I say no, of course it's not consensual. What say you?

I already said: "to me it's rape..." in the post you selectively quoted.

And, to be clear, that means your answer to the question is "no"; correct?

In other words, you and I both agree that "legal marital rape" is not consensual; correct?


With love,
Eckhart Aurelius Hughes

[Eckhart Aurelius Hughes]

Legal or not, marital rape is definitely not consensual. It is heinous and a crime.

I agree 100%.

Thank you for your reply!


With love,
Eckhart Aurelius