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[Vanamali Thotapalli]

Continuing my view that all Morals are biased, self-serving - I see this with the Royals
Caste as we know says a person is higher or Lower based solely on birth!
And so Brahmins were deemed to have a higher status based on their birth
Everyone agrees that this so wrong, does not belong in the 21st century
This is similar to Racism where people are deemed lower based on their skin color
Or what the Nazis, well, not just the Nazis - Hate against Jews has a long history - over 2,000 years and counting - the media tries its
hardest to push all the blame on to the Nazis, thereby giving cover to religions to continue to preach their hate
Here again, Jews are deemed lower based simply on them being Jews
And of course Gypsies are another, victims of this kind of mentality
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But then I look at the Royals and I see nothing but Caste - these are the Royal Brahmin Caste!
Their sole qualification - them winning the birth lottery!
And based on that - they are admired, looked up to, idolized, given riches to live the easy good life
Travel in expensive cars, dress well, look good and wave to their adoring fans!
All because they were born in the right family!
Meanwhile soldiers who shed blood and limb for England, die in the streets!
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But here again I see the Biased morals, ethics!
Talking down Caste, calling it evil - which they should - it IS evil but then do a 180 when it comes to Royalty!
Where is the criticism of these people, more to the point - to this institution which does not belong in the 21st century?
The Royals and Royalty belong to the past - when Kings & Queens ruled their nations
We have moved to Democracies and Republics now - the power now belongs to the people
The Institution of Royalty(not the Royals themselves, if foolish Brits(or other countries that still have Royals like Japan & Thailand) want to throw money at them, keep them in Golden cages, who are they to complain? But the lack of shame, living as freeloaders is not right) should be called evil as well - they do not deserve our praise, adoration - have done nothing to deserve it
Being born is not a qualification!

[Sy Borg]

Brahmins comprise about 5% of the Hindu population.

Technically, there are about 5,000 royal descendants, which my scratch calculation has at about 0.009% of the English population.

[Samana Johann]

Continuing my view that all Morals are biased, self-serving - I see this with the Royals
Caste as we know says a person is higher or Lower based solely on birth!
And so Brahmins were deemed to have a higher status based on their birth
Everyone agrees that this so wrong, does not belong in the 21st century
This is similar to Racism where people are deemed lower based on their skin color
Or what the Nazis, well, not just the Nazis - Hate against Jews has a long history - over 2,000 years and counting - the media tries its
hardest to push all the blame on to the Nazis, thereby giving cover to religions to continue to preach their hate
Here again, Jews are deemed lower based simply on them being Jews
And of course Gypsies are another, victims of this kind of mentality
.
But then I look at the Royals and I see nothing but Caste - these are the Royal Brahmin Caste!
Their sole qualification - them winning the birth lottery!
And based on that - they are admired, looked up to, idolized, given riches to live the easy good life
Travel in expensive cars, dress well, look good and wave to their adoring fans!
All because they were born in the right family!
Meanwhile soldiers who shed blood and limb for England, die in the streets!
.
But here again I see the Biased morals, ethics!
Talking down Caste, calling it evil - which they should - it IS evil but then do a 180 when it comes to Royalty!
Where is the criticism of these people, more to the point - to this institution which does not belong in the 21st century?
The Royals and Royalty belong to the past - when Kings & Queens ruled their nations
We have moved to Democracies and Republics now - the power now belongs to the people
The Institution of Royalty(not the Royals themselves, if foolish Brits(or other countries that still have Royals like Japan & Thailand) want to throw money at them, keep them in Golden cages, who are they to complain? But the lack of shame, living as freeloaders is not right) should be called evil as well - they do not deserve our praise, adoration - have done nothing to deserve it
Being born is not a qualification!

Once two young Brahmins asked the Buddha of what makes one Sublime (Brahman), one argued birth, one deeds: To the Brahmin Vasettha

And another detailed discussion on the matter here: With Assalayana

(That has, btw. nothing to do with a conclusion: ALL moral is biased, of which isn't the case. Yet birth and moral is another point. All kind of birth are equal, is also not right, and are also related to ones former deeds. To say that royals and Brahmins are low or bad, would be wrong and biased either. All are different according to their action, either in regard of birth gained, and right esteem)

[Samana Johann]

And cause and effect doesn't act on wishing or selfdeclared rules and rights, isn't demo-crazy, either. The opposite. Taken that fools are by far majority, how could such be a way to determine right? Even if all agree and do wrong, wrong is still wrong, leads to it's effects in accordance.

[Vanamali Thotapalli]

Brahmins comprise about 5% of the Hindu population.

Technically, there are about 5,000 royal descendants, which my scratch calculation has at about 0.009% of the English population.

I am sorry Morality, values are not based on numbers
Like saying that guy killed 10 people, I killed only one - he is the murderer not me
Wrong is wrong, does not matter what numbers one uses

[Sy Borg]

Brahmins comprise about 5% of the Hindu population.

Technically, there are about 5,000 royal descendants, which my scratch calculation has at about 0.009% of the English population.

I am sorry Morality, values are not based on numbers
Like saying that guy killed 10 people, I killed only one - he is the murderer not me
Wrong is wrong, does not matter what numbers one uses

I would say the problem is much more pressing in India just as, catching a serial killer is much more pressing than catching a one-off second-degree murderer. I take you point on one level but size really does matter.

[Vanamali Thotapalli]

I would say the problem is much more pressing in India just as, catching a serial killer is much more pressing than catching a one-off second-degree murderer. I take you point on one level but size really does matter.

We are discussing morals, ethics - whether an action or a view is moral or not
Not numbers, not where it is happening
Anti-Semitism, Sexism, Racism are all wrong - does not matter where they are happening or how severely
Caste is wrong - simply changing a word to Royalty does not make it right
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And that makes my case - that all our morals are biased, self-serving
Easy to point fingers at a dark-skinned country, a different religion, not ours
Harder to look in the mirror and say we are not that different
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Caste exists in different forms all around the world - it is called something else but the idea is the same
The hate Jews & Gypsies have faced thru the centuries is Caste hate - hated because they are Jews, Gypsies and not based on character, conduct
Racism also can be said as being similar to Caste - here again the person does not matter, character, morals do not matter
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There are lower castes in other religions as well - as I mentioned Jews & Gypsies in Christianity & large-scale hate and killing used to happen between Catholics and protestants back in the day
Even today Islam is divided between Sunnis and Shias - hate between these two groups is intense
and both hate lower castes in Islam - Ahmadiyas, Hazaras - these groups are not considered Muslim and are hated
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These people may not be BORN into their religion, but they grow up in it, they embrace it and are hated because of it
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It seems a simple name change is enough to throw us off - that is the gist of my post - the actions are the same
But a simple name change and our views do a 180
From Cow to a Dog and we get a different article
From Brahmin to Royal and we get a different view
From male child to a female regarding Genital Mutilation and we get a different view
From Putin to God and our views change dramatically - will write about this in a later post if I am allowed

[Vanamali Thotapalli]

To say that royals and Brahmins are low or bad, would be wrong and biased either.

That is not what I am saying
Brahmins are held at a higher level - and what is their qualification? being born in a certain family and that's it!
That IS wrong - no one is born higher or lower
Same way, the Royals should not be held higher, praised, looked up to but they are, and that IS wrong
It is our actions, views that elevate or lower us
People like Gandhiji, Lincoln, Socrates are respected the world over because of what they achieved in life, their views, actions
And of course at the opposite end we have Hitler, Stalin, Mao etc

[Samana Johann]

To say that royals and Brahmins are low or bad, would be wrong and biased either.

That is not what I am saying
Brahmins are held at a higher level - and what is their qualification? being born in a certain family and that's it!
That IS wrong - no one is born higher or lower
Same way, the Royals should not be held higher, praised, looked up to but they are, and that IS wrong
It is our actions, views that elevate or lower us
People like Gandhiji, Lincoln, Socrates are respected the world over because of what they achieved in life, their views, actions
And of course at the opposite end we have Hitler, Stalin, Mao etc

To say that birth alone isn't a qualification, and deeds and ways of deeds matter, would be right, good householder.
Birth as well, isn't gained by accident, but by one's gained possibilities. There are rich and poor families, social higher and lower, leaders, worker, priests, wise, foolish, ugly, beautiful, long living, short living ... but such, blessed or not so blessed birth, doesn't totally limit ones possibilities in doing efforts toward up or down. Beings are gathering together around similar virtues, similar food.

And good householder obviously hasn't reead the linked, tends to speak biased (holding on certain perception, view as "only this is right" without ease giving said a reflection).

There are four kinds of people found in this world, qualified by birth & deeds. "One in darkness who is headed for darkness, one in darkness who is headed for light, one in light who is headed for darkness, and one in light who is headed for light."

(btw. Hitler was born worker family, Stalin in poor, Ghandi priest-class, Lincoln poor... so birth seems to radomize your samples. Aside of the idea that Ghandi, for example, was rightly praised, given that he leaded the country into long conflict and war... And what's praiseworthy by Socrates? Total biased, according common preference.)

It is one's (not our) actions, views that elevate or lower one (not us)

Yes, but only in regard of right view and right action! Comparing one kind of wrong with another wrong is pointless and just biased.

Yet one needs also know what's right view and what's right action. Something the common uninstructed person (either rich or poor...) isn't aware, doesn't know, but follows his own bias (fitting to personal preferences).

[Vanamali Thotapalli]

And good householder obviously hasn't reead the linked, tends to speak biased (holding on certain perception, view as "only this is right" without ease giving said a reflection).

Please do not stoop to personal attacks simply because I disagreed with you - that stops all discussion
Don't you think YOU are right in your opinion? - WE ALL Do - Everyone who posts thinks they are right - it is their opinion
And defending an opinion is what makes for a lively discussion - we can learn from each other - but to say "you are being dogmatic, I am right, you are wrong - you are not listening" - tends to minimize other views & as I said stops all discussion

This is my final say - one can be born rich - but we don't idolize, praise of hold rich people at a higher level simply because they are rich
We teach our kids to work hard, EARN that success - praise those who have EARNED that success, whether it is in sports or education
A Michael Jordan in sports or an Einstein in Science or a Mozart in music are held to a higher regard based on what they had DONE in life, it is not based on birth

Caste is wrong, is evil, because regard or disregard is based on birth alone! Nothing else!
Same with Royalty - why are the Royals respected, given riches to live in comfort, idolized, praised? What have they DONE to deserve it? Nothing!
Meanwhile soldiers who shed blood and limb for England die in the streets! That is wrong!

[LuckyR]

This thread would carry more importance if wealth was associated with happiness. But while poverty is associated with unhappiness, great wealth has not been demonstrated to correlate with happiness.