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[Shirley Labzentis]

Apart from the, "There is no problem of evil" on Page 127 that I have gone into before, I also do not agree with Page 122, "If heaven exists only in the future, then it does not exist because the future does not exist. I believe that there is a future, as well as a past. Yesterday was in the past and tomorrow is in the future.
Page 151 - "In reality, there are no shoulds and oughts. There simply is what is and what's not." I strongly believe that there are many things in life that you should do. You may not want to do them or you may not do them, but you should do them. Example: Taking care of your children. You may not want to do this, but you should do it as they have no one to take care of them. The same goes for your elderly parents. You should take care of them as they took care of you growing up.

[Eckhart Aurelius Hughes]

One point to discuss is if we can help others, particularly children. We are complex systems, and we may not be the best. We can be motivated by helping others, particularly children. It can be a higher purpose we have.

Hi, CrisX,

That is not a quote of sentence from my book.

If you don't agree with every single sentence from the book, please post a verbatim quote of the very first sentence in the book with which you disagree, meaning the sentence closest to the beginning of the book.


With love,
Eckhart Aurelius Hughes
a.k.a. Scott

[Eckhart Aurelius Hughes]

on the Review Team Page, my score for this forum dropped from 10 to zero.

Posting in this forum is not a part of your Reviewer Score.

In other words, it is possible to get a 100/100 Reviewer Score without posting in this forum at all (and without getting any kind of bonus points).

Typically, any bonus points you do get for things that are not part of the standard scoring formula will expire at some point in time.

At this time, I don't believe you will be eligible for any bonus points related to posting in this forum unless you have already sorted out any misunderstandings or points of disagreement such that you can confidently say you understand and agree with every sentence in the book.

So if you still don't agree with every sentence in the book, you will want to keep posting in this forum and keep talking about in this forum until you can say that, either because you change your mind about it or because the book itself is changed.

I am working on the 3rd Edition now, so it's easy to make sure one of those two things happens.

[Eckhart Aurelius Hughes]

"Logic tells us that if there is an all-loving god, then there would be no evil."
However, if you are of the Christian faith, you know that Satan is evil and that he causes the evil that fills the heart of man. So this isn't really logical from my point of view.

Hi, Mounce574,

Since you believe in should-not-have-ness (a.k.a. "evil"), please do post a reply in the following topic, making sure to answer all 10 questions by number:

Ten Questions for People Who Believe Should-Not-Have-Ness Exists (i.e. for people who believe in 'shoulds' and 'oughts')


Also, if you can provide me the quote from the Christian Bible, preferably something said by Jesus himself, that supports the claim that "Satan is evil" (i.e. that God did something he shouldn't have when he chose to create Satan knowing Satan would do exactly what Satan would do based on the way God created him), that would be great.


With love,
Eckhart Aurelius Hughes
a.k.a. Scott

[Eckhart Aurelius Hughes]

I disagree with the quote "There is no problem with evil because there is no evil" because it dismisses the very real existence of harm, suffering,

How does it dismiss the existence of harm and suffering?

I certainly believe suffering exists.

Indeed, the book explicitly talks about the existence of "suffering".

Is is possible you didn't read the whole book, and skipped to that line near the end about "evil"?

Right at the beginning of the book in the introduction it talks about and confirms the existence of suffering, even going so far as to say that "to live is to suffer".

If you read the first half of the book, I don't understand how you can be coming here and saying that there is anything even remotely dismissing the existence of suffering in the book.

Please do explain this in much detail, as I am very curious about it.

[Eckhart Aurelius Hughes]

Hi.
The book is so fascinating, with so many different view and new outlooks. I was really impressed.
But I don't exactly agree with this line given in page 139 ~

But the perception of literal [shuold-not-have-ness] is a manifestation of discontent, meaning a lack of inner peace, a lack of reality acceptance, a lack of unconditional love.

I understand the value of inner peace, and accepting one and all, and the importance of unconditional love, but it is just not right to say that [should-not-have-ness] is a manifestation of discontent. Sometimes, [should-not-have-ness] does exist even with all of the virtues given above.

That is what makes it [should-not-have-ness] because it knows it's wrong and still continues.

No, the view that they "know better" is a misery-inducing illusion. It's a hellish nightmare of your own creation. The so-called "evil" you see is a hellish nightmarish illusion. Let it go to find invincible heavenly inner peace and to see this infinitely lovable perfect heavenly world as it really is: which is heavenly.

Please see the following topic of mine:

If they knew better, they would do better. For anyone and anything, say, "Forgive them, for they know not what they do."



With love,
Eckhart Aurelius Hughes
a.k.a. Scott

[Eckhart Aurelius Hughes]

you tell them to drop their religion and follow spirituality.

The book does NOT say that. You are misquoting it.

[Adaboo]

you tell them to drop their religion and follow spirituality.

The book does NOT say that. You are misquoting it.

I find it a little being biased in my opinion. Biased as in Inclined to one side and swelled to another side.

[Eckhart Aurelius Hughes]

you tell them to drop their religion and follow spirituality.

The book does NOT say that. You are misquoting it.

I find it a little being biased in my opinion. Biased as in Inclined to one side and swelled to another side.

Hi, Adaboo,

If you don't agree with every single sentence from the book, please post a verbatim quote of the very first sentence in the book with which you disagree, meaning the sentence closest to the beginning of the book.



With love,
Eckhart Aurelius Hughes
a.k.a. Scott

[Adaboo]

You tell them to drop their religion and follow spirituality.

The book does NOT say that. You are misquoting it.

I find it a little biased in my opinion. Biased as in Inclined to one side and swelled to another side.

Hi, Adaboo,

If you don't agree with every single sentence from the book, please post a verbatim quote of the very first sentence in the book with which you disagree, meaning the sentence closest to the beginning of the book.



With love,
Eckhart Aurelius Hughes
a.k.a. Scott

I've been busy for not replying to you, Scott, on time.

I believe I started seeing many chapters on that and I think the book is being manipulative and opinionated.
Check this sentence: This book does not and will not call on you to drop your religion, but rather likely quite the opposite. ( Page 94)

I understand that some sentences of consciousness and conscious exertion of explanation will want the readers to see the bright side of existence as them being a higher supreme human intelligence. Shouldn't rely on anything but themselves. What is it exactly you want to say? Because religion is dependent on, what you call a higher power. But spirituality is dependent on your higher self. I believe at a certain point, religion, and spirituality cannot intertwine with each other. And you cannot promote religion when you are awakened.

[Risper Ouma Lisa Anyango]

Yes, I do agree with everything in your book. At first, I was a little confused but realised that the more ahead you read, the more you get to understand the book. Also this book needs 6qp be read more than once for one to fully grasp its true message.

[Eckhart Aurelius Hughes]

Hi, Adaboo,

Thank you for your reply.

If you don't agree with every single sentence from the book, please post a verbatim quote of the very first sentence in the book with which you disagree, meaning the sentence closest to the beginning of the book.

I believe I started seeing many chapters on that and I think the book is being manipulative and opinionated.
Check this sentence: This book does not and will not call on you to drop your religion, but rather likely quite the opposite. ( Page 94)

If you read the book starting from the beginning, without any skim reading or skipping, then it is effectively impossible that that is the very first sentence with which you disagree, since that sentence doesn't appear until page 94, but (for example) these other questions which say the same thing and more appear on page 13:

You do not need to be of a certain religion to read this book, nor will you need to change your religion to accept the truths presented in this book. This book is written for readers of all religions, including the non-religious. Without changing their religion, readers of all religions, including non-religion, can realize their place in the common struggle that unites us.

Thus, I suggest you re-read the book, starting from the very beginning, making sure to go slow and carefully read each sentence without any skimming or rushing at all.

If you come across even a single sentence that you are not confident you fully understand, then please do stop reading and post a verbatim quote of it in the following topic:

Did you understand every sentence in the book, "In It Together"? If not, what part did you first not understand?


I suggest focusing on understanding what is meant first before worrying about alleged disagreements. That's because otherwise most alleged disagreements would actually just be misunderstandings (i.e. you would be disagreeing with something you think I'm saying but I'm not actually saying).



With love,
Eckhart Aurelius Hughes
a.k.a. Scott

[Adaboo]

Thank you. I will be posting verbatim quotes if I find some lines to comment on and provide the light we all need to understand. Thank you, Scott.

[Eromosele Success]

I mostly agreed with the book. However, when it comes to the topic of evil, I'm in disagreement.

Many readers seem to share a similar view, but I’ll say my piece. Or rather ask my piece.

On page 139, it is written:

"Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and such a discontent inner-peace-lacking beholder looks at unchangeable reality and thinks, 'It shouldn't be like this.'"

Should a person reading about the horrors of the Holocaust just accept reality with inner peace?

I think inner peace allows you to see beyond what's comfortable for you, in the sense that you have a broader vision to see things in a manner that reduces doubt and wishful thinking. Somehow...

[Adaboo]

This is a discussion forum topic for the November 2022 Philosophy Book of the Month, In It Together: The Beautiful Struggle Uniting Us All.


Do you agree with everything in the book, In It Together?

If not, what is the very first sentence in the book with which you disagree?

Please copy and paste the sentence in full.

Please explain why you disagree, including any evidence or argument you may have to support your alternate belief.

I love hearing and learning about different viewpoints. So thank you in advance for your honest answers to these questions.

I also love friendly, respectful debates, especially philosophical ones. Much like if I choose to invite you to my literal home for a game of chess or to play some sport or game, please note if I seem to want to or choose to question, debate, or argue you about some thing, please do take it as a major compliment and a sign of my respect and admiration for you. I deeply love, value, and respect people who can disagree and explain their side. And generally I don't bother to debate or argue with people unless I think there is a good chance they could win the argument and thereby change my mind.

If you read the whole book already and don't remember the specific sentence, I strongly encourage you to read the book again up to the point of the first disagreement, and highlight the first sentence you find disagreeable, and then come back here as soon as you can to post it here.


The book is available for purchase from all major book retailers in both ebook and hardcover format.

Hi Scott, your friend Adaboo king.
"The book is a truly remarkable and thought-provoking masterpiece, filled with intriguing lines that demand to be savored and re-read multiple times to fully appreciate their depth and complexity. Congratulations to Scott on this outstanding achievement, a testament to his exceptional writing skill and intellectual curiosity."